Driverless cars: Tech possible for UK motorways by 2026
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Driverless cars: Tech possible for UK motorways by 2026, transport secretary says
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67825617
"Driverless cars could be on some UK roads by the end of 2026, the transport secretary has told the BBC.
Mark Harper also said he expected to see the owners of those vehicles being able to travel without having to watch where they're going by the end of that year....................................It has a huge number of potential uses, the obvious one is 88% or so of road traffic collisions we see today are caused by driver error of some description," he added........continues
What could possibly go wrong? I thought all the traffic collisions were caused by speeding motorists, hence all the cameras. Not working very well then, are they?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67825617
"Driverless cars could be on some UK roads by the end of 2026, the transport secretary has told the BBC.
Mark Harper also said he expected to see the owners of those vehicles being able to travel without having to watch where they're going by the end of that year....................................It has a huge number of potential uses, the obvious one is 88% or so of road traffic collisions we see today are caused by driver error of some description," he added........continues
What could possibly go wrong? I thought all the traffic collisions were caused by speeding motorists, hence all the cameras. Not working very well then, are they?
88% of accidents are caused by driver mistakes, yet drivers must keep their eyes on the road when using a driverless car, sounds like the tech is not fit for purpose if it can't do better than that.
Asking an unskilled, inattentive/disinterested driver to intervene at the last moment, I mean what could go wrong? The people that buy these cars are not by the very definition of the product interested in driving the car, yet someone how they are going to buy a driverless car and then pay attention....hmmm.
We'll find out I guess.
robinessex said:
Driverless cars: Tech possible for UK motorways by 2026, transport secretary says
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67825617
"Driverless cars could be on some UK roads by the end of 2026, the transport secretary has told the BBC.
Mark Harper also said he expected to see the owners of those vehicles being able to travel without having to watch where they're going by the end of that year....................................It has a huge number of potential uses, the obvious one is 88% or so of road traffic collisions we see today are caused by driver error of some description," he added........continues
What could possibly go wrong? I thought all the traffic collisions were caused by speeding motorists, hence all the cameras. Not working very well then, are they?
Utter balls. Either keep cars with drivers or build new roads with perfect lane markings specifically for driverless cars only, with zero hazards eg no bus stops, parked cars, roundabouts, bends, bridges, trucks, bicycles, pedestrians or ley lines. Mixing the two will end in chaos. 2 years of Tesla experiencehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67825617
"Driverless cars could be on some UK roads by the end of 2026, the transport secretary has told the BBC.
Mark Harper also said he expected to see the owners of those vehicles being able to travel without having to watch where they're going by the end of that year....................................It has a huge number of potential uses, the obvious one is 88% or so of road traffic collisions we see today are caused by driver error of some description," he added........continues
What could possibly go wrong? I thought all the traffic collisions were caused by speeding motorists, hence all the cameras. Not working very well then, are they?
You would hope that it is better tech than the Lane Keep Assist systems currently in use. My MG4 EV which I think is fantastic by the way attempts to kill me at least 6 times a day.
I can be happily driving down the road perfectly positioned and it tries to steer me into oncoming traffic because of a shadow or repair mark on the road surface. As a consequence I will never use a fully autonomous system. If I have a crash I want it to be at least partly my fault.
I can be happily driving down the road perfectly positioned and it tries to steer me into oncoming traffic because of a shadow or repair mark on the road surface. As a consequence I will never use a fully autonomous system. If I have a crash I want it to be at least partly my fault.
heebeegeetee said:
As I understand it collisions caused by mechanical issues are extremely rare, ditto punctures, which just leaves a bit of weather.
Can weather "cause" an accident? Surely the huge majority of accidents attributed to the weather are actually caused by people driving too fast for the conditions. Mikebentley said:
You would hope that it is better tech than the Lane Keep Assist systems currently in use. My MG4 EV which I think is fantastic by the way attempts to kill me at least 6 times a day.
I can be happily driving down the road perfectly positioned and it tries to steer me into oncoming traffic because of a shadow or repair mark on the road surface. As a consequence I will never use a fully autonomous system. If I have a crash I want it to be at least partly my fault.
So because you have experienced one bad system which doesn't even attempt to implement autonomous driving, you'll never use a fully autonomous system? That's rather akin to saying because you've bitten into one rotten apple, you'll never eat another orange again. I can be happily driving down the road perfectly positioned and it tries to steer me into oncoming traffic because of a shadow or repair mark on the road surface. As a consequence I will never use a fully autonomous system. If I have a crash I want it to be at least partly my fault.
I think we're some way (certainly more than three years!) from having viable autonomous driving systems that don't require constant human monitoring, but ultimately they will happen and they will be better than human drivers on all roads, in all conditions.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 27th December 10:06
I’ve been watching a series on you tube called Mentour Pilot, which details various air incidents. One thing I have noticed that a very many accidents happen because the automation is either not properly understood by the pilots in terms of its behaviour during certain circumstances or because they fail to maintain situational awareness when using the automation.
Expecting drivers trained only to drive manually to be responsible for monitoring the auto driving in a car definitely opens up some similar problems, I would expect.
Expecting drivers trained only to drive manually to be responsible for monitoring the auto driving in a car definitely opens up some similar problems, I would expect.
andy43 said:
Utter balls. Either keep cars with drivers or build new roads with perfect lane markings specifically for driverless cars only, with zero hazards eg no bus stops, parked cars, roundabouts, bends, bridges, trucks, bicycles, pedestrians or ley lines. Mixing the two will end in chaos. 2 years of Tesla experience
Been saying this for years, it has to be an all or nothing approach, anything else is just an unobtainable task and will result to a race to zero of legislation of the roads which is already happening now. Okay.
The concept was over hyped & oversold by Musk et al about a decade ago - and when it didn't arrive with a ribbon on in 2022 there was a lot of "it'll never happen" & "it's a complicated world - not in our lifetime" naysaying - and the persistent naysayers were given headline inches to reinforce the idea of its technological remoteness.
But in the background things grind onwards; there's so much potential in driver driverless that everyone with research budget will be in there to some extent.
The concept was over hyped & oversold by Musk et al about a decade ago - and when it didn't arrive with a ribbon on in 2022 there was a lot of "it'll never happen" & "it's a complicated world - not in our lifetime" naysaying - and the persistent naysayers were given headline inches to reinforce the idea of its technological remoteness.
But in the background things grind onwards; there's so much potential in driver driverless that everyone with research budget will be in there to some extent.
kambites said:
Mikebentley said:
You would hope that it is better tech than the Lane Keep Assist systems currently in use. My MG4 EV which I think is fantastic by the way attempts to kill me at least 6 times a day.
I can be happily driving down the road perfectly positioned and it tries to steer me into oncoming traffic because of a shadow or repair mark on the road surface. As a consequence I will never use a fully autonomous system. If I have a crash I want it to be at least partly my fault.
So because you have experienced one bad system which doesn't even attempt to implement autonomous driving, you'll never use a fully autonomous system? That's rather akin to saying because you've bitten into one rotten apple, you'll never eat another orange again. I can be happily driving down the road perfectly positioned and it tries to steer me into oncoming traffic because of a shadow or repair mark on the road surface. As a consequence I will never use a fully autonomous system. If I have a crash I want it to be at least partly my fault.
I think we're some way (certainly more than three years!) from having viable autonomous driving systems that don't require constant human monitoring, but ultimately they will happen and they will be better than human drivers on all roads, in all conditions.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 27th December 10:06
Julian Thompson said:
I’ve been watching a series on you tube called Mentour Pilot, which details various air incidents. One thing I have noticed that a very many accidents happen because the automation is either not properly understood by the pilots in terms of its behaviour during certain circumstances or because they fail to maintain situational awareness when using the automation.
Expecting drivers trained only to drive manually to be responsible for monitoring the auto driving in a car definitely opens up some similar problems, I would expect.
Agreed. Expecting drivers trained only to drive manually to be responsible for monitoring the auto driving in a car definitely opens up some similar problems, I would expect.
O/T also try Green Dot, similarly great aviation channel.
Julian Thompson said:
I’ve been watching a series on you tube called Mentour Pilot, which details various air incidents. One thing I have noticed that a very many accidents happen because the automation is either not properly understood by the pilots in terms of its behaviour during certain circumstances or because they fail to maintain situational awareness when using the automation.
Expecting drivers trained only to drive manually to be responsible for monitoring the auto driving in a car definitely opens up some similar problems, I would expect.
There is certainly an argument that partial automation (such as what's being discussed here and indeed what you have in a commercial airliner) is, in some situations, the worst of both worlds. It's pretty undeniable that automatic systems in aeroplanes have hugely increased the safety of air travel though, and I suspect in the (very) long run the same will happen with cars.Expecting drivers trained only to drive manually to be responsible for monitoring the auto driving in a car definitely opens up some similar problems, I would expect.
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