RE: Pumpwatch: terrible name - nice idea?
RE: Pumpwatch: terrible name - nice idea?
Tuesday 16th January 2024

Pumpwatch: dreary name - bright idea?

The government wants to help drive down fuel costs by forcing retailers to share real-time price changes


We’ve known for some time that fuel retailers haven’t always played fair with prices at the pump. Not just intuitively based on the scattergun difference between petrol stations in the same area, but also because motoring groups like the AA and the RAC have repeatedly complained that the cheaper wholesale cost of petrol was not being passed on to customers. Last year, the Competition and Markets Authority came to basically the same conclusion after a 12-month study, blaming weaker competition for consistently fat margins among ‘traditional price leaders’. 

With the overall rate of inflation a political hot potato for the government, it insisted back in the summer that something must be done about the disparity. Six months later it has started consulting with the industry on its proposed solution: specifically, new legislation to force retailers to share live information within 30 minutes of any price change at the pumps, thereby helping consumers to shop around for the best deal when they decide which forecourt to visit. 

Dubbed ‘Pumpwatch’, the proposal might sound like something copied and pasted from a pop-up book of policies, but the Department of Energy Security and Net Zero says a similar statewide scheme in Queensland, Australia saw drivers save an average of nearly 50 quid a year. In the UK, the government reckons 3p a litre is plausible, assuming (unnamed) ‘tech companies’ are keen to plumb the information into commonly used mobile apps. Alongside greater transparency, the government is obviously also hoping that legally required price comparison data will ‘reignite competition’ in a sector too often found sitting on its hands. 

It suggests there is some evidence of this already in play after twelve of the biggest retailers, including all four fuel-selling supermarkets, signed up to an interim voluntary scheme - although the falling price of crude oil in the meantime is likely at the root of the ‘lowest average price at the pump for two years’. Either way, at the end of last year the CMA was appointed as the road fuel market watchdog, and it will advise the government on any further action needed. But it begins with a two-month consultation process that invites the views of consumers and retailers alike. Have your say here. Or, as ever, below. 


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MyFingerSlipped

Original Poster:

18 posts

44 months

Tuesday 16th January 2024
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Didn't realise Morgan had made a Diesel Super 3

Telchar

18 posts

151 months

Tuesday 16th January 2024
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Both pics seem to be American who use black for petrol pumps for some odd reason…

kambites

71,483 posts

251 months

Tuesday 16th January 2024
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Telchar said:
Both pics seem to be American who use black for petrol pumps for some odd reason…
The one next to the Morgan says "diesel" on the pump in big letters. smile

nismo48

7,070 posts

237 months

Tuesday 16th January 2024
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Don't think Morgan make a Super 3 Diesel scratchchin

Telchar

18 posts

151 months

Tuesday 16th January 2024
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kambites said:
Telchar said:
Both pics seem to be American who use black for petrol pumps for some odd reason…
The one next to the Morgan says "diesel" on the pump in big letters. smile
Someone posted about the Bentley been diesel and deleted biglaugh teach me not to quote , I’ll go back in my box now

Edited by Telchar on Tuesday 16th January 18:38

Kipsrs

712 posts

79 months

Tuesday 16th January 2024
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It always concerns me when major retailers have such price differences from station to station, if the price in one post code is ‘x’ amount then why is it ‘y’ amount in another, surely it should be the same wherever one goes?

V12GT

664 posts

120 months

Tuesday 16th January 2024
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I’ve started using the petrolprices app. It does require voluntary input but is useful around here, where prices vary by upto 15p per litre within 5 miles.

AmyRichardson

1,984 posts

72 months

Tuesday 16th January 2024
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Kipsrs said:
It always concerns me when major retailers have such price differences from station to station, if the price in one post code is ‘x’ amount then why is it ‘y’ amount in another, surely it should be the same wherever one goes?
Because the seller is gaming their location. Lots of traffic passing on a route with few stations immediately off the same route = lots of people willing to spend a few quid not to go out of their way.

tr3a

626 posts

257 months

Tuesday 16th January 2024
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Kipsrs said:
It always concerns me when major retailers have such price differences from station to station, if the price in one post code is ‘x’ amount then why is it ‘y’ amount in another, surely it should be the same wherever one goes?
Why should it be the same? If they can eke out a few extra pennies per litre in one post code, or at a certain time, why should they be prevented from doing so?

fantheman80

2,618 posts

79 months

Tuesday 16th January 2024
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I get the idea but is £50 a year worth the drive about? Most go to their nearest for convenience, which coffee they like, if its 99 Ron for schportyness, collect some points or if they have a costco cos they seem to be the cheapest. Well meant but cant see a huge uptake


kambites

71,483 posts

251 months

Tuesday 16th January 2024
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Telchar said:
Someone posted about the Bentley been diesel and deleted biglaugh teach me not to quote , I’ll go back in my box now
Ah, fair enough then!

fantheman80

2,618 posts

79 months

Tuesday 16th January 2024
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Kipsrs said:
It always concerns me when major retailers have such price differences from station to station, if the price in one post code is ‘x’ amount then why is it ‘y’ amount in another, surely it should be the same wherever one goes?
Lots of commercial reasons, cos one post code will be further from the supplying terminal for a start, volume through the site to offset costs...competition, inner city lots of competition vs rural got you by the knackers, motorway so no choice we got you again suckers, whether its oil company owned, or a franchise who can use the brand etc etc

kambites

71,483 posts

251 months

Tuesday 16th January 2024
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Kipsrs said:
It always concerns me when major retailers have such price differences from station to station, if the price in one post code is ‘x’ amount then why is it ‘y’ amount in another, surely it should be the same wherever one goes?
If you mean things like Shell garages, they're not really a single "retailer"; as far as I know they all use a franchise model.

If you mean supermarkets, well it's just supply and demand isn't it? You can go into two different Tesco stores and find different prices on Pringles so why not on petrol? Ultimately different stores have different overheads and also different local competition. It's a free(ish) market, if you don't like the price at once store, go somewhere else! The idea of a centralised resource where buyers can view live prices is certainly a good one though.

Matthew-18w4p

50 posts

70 months

Tuesday 16th January 2024
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I've got a great new concept for the Government.

Its called "Tax on Fuel Watch".

You can report just how much of what you spent has gone straight into the pocket of the Exchequer.....

abzmike

12,005 posts

136 months

Tuesday 16th January 2024
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I have 3 places that I use - I can’t see me checking an app to see if any are a penny cheaper than the others before making the major decision where to fill up. I suspect this idea will die off come election time, despite the government yelling that they are on the side of the motorist fighting the good fight against the oil companies and supermarkets. Love to know how much time and money has been spent on this nonsense.

Jules s

9 posts

107 months

Tuesday 16th January 2024
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Should be like Luxembourg, where all stations have to charge the same price.

Matthen

1,452 posts

181 months

Tuesday 16th January 2024
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tr3a said:
Kipsrs said:
It always concerns me when major retailers have such price differences from station to station, if the price in one post code is ‘x’ amount then why is it ‘y’ amount in another, surely it should be the same wherever one goes?
Why should it be the same? If they can eke out a few extra pennies per litre in one post code, or at a certain time, why should they be prevented from doing so?
Cos the same corp has bought up all the local stations, resulting in a local monopoly - I can't see a goverment run app helping much - I'd much rather they set out rules saying X company can only own Y percentage of fuel stations in any 5/10/20 mile radius.


MDMA .

10,682 posts

131 months

Tuesday 16th January 2024
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Jules s said:
Should be like Luxembourg, where all stations have to charge the same price.
Or like Venezuela where it’s only 2p a litre smile

Mr Tidy

31,534 posts

157 months

Tuesday 16th January 2024
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Matthew-18w4p said:
I've got a great new concept for the Government.

Its called "Tax on Fuel Watch".

You can report just how much of what you spent has gone straight into the pocket of the Exchequer.....
Now that would be interesting - and painful!

I'm a bit stuck really because both my cars should use at least 98 Ron "whenever possible" according to the manufacturer, so I always go to the local Tesco because their Momentum is 99 RON and only 7p a litre more than Regular. Sainsburys Regular is sometimes cheaper but their good stuff is only 97 RON. Shell and Esso charge more like another 20p a litre for their good stuff so I only use them when I need fuel away from home.

Sometimes I get lucky and find a Tesco but I should probably just use their Store Locator!

GianiCakes

687 posts

103 months

Wednesday 17th January 2024
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I think it’s a good idea. Price transparency is an important part of an efficiently functioning market. Whether people chose to use it is up to them but at least they have the option. If you have your journey plugged into Google maps, or equivalent, and it tells you stopping 10 miles earlier would save you a few quid, you probably would. Especially relevant if you’re running a fleet of trucks.
This should also be a requirement for charging stations where the price disparity is far greater.