RE: Andretti Cadillac F1 bid rejected
RE: Andretti Cadillac F1 bid rejected
Tuesday 30th January 2024

Andretti Cadillac F1 bid rejected

There were high hopes for an Andretti Grand Prix team; they must go unfulfilled for now


There won’t be an Andretti Autosport F1 team competing in 2025 or 2026. The team, which was a combined effort with Cadillac, has had its bid to become the 11th team on the grid rejected by Formula One Management (FOM). 

Things had been looking good, the two American motorsport giants teaming up just as the sport was properly gaining popularity Stateside. The announcement of the collaboration came last January, and Andretti Cadillac had passed the first two stages of the application process. That was with the FIA, and took until October, but the final review is always undertaken by FOM as commercial rights holders. It is their decision that the Andretti effort hasn’t passed the final test for entry onto the F1 grid. Which is a huge blow for all involved, as well as those fans excited to see such iconic names involved with the sport. 

The press release from Formula 1 does lay it out in pretty stark terms, citing factors like the total change in regulations for 2026 (and the unlikelihood of a new manufacturer making two very different F1 cars in consecutive seasons), the difficulty around entering as a new Power Unit manufacturer, and research that suggests that ‘F1 would bring value to the Andretti brand rather than the other way around’. Yowch.

Even the alternatives have been shut down, suggesting that a borrowed Power Unit ahead of Cadillac getting up to speed ‘would be damaging to the prestige and standing of the championship.’ Though the release goes on to state that the other 10 teams had no role to play in the decision made by FOM, many felt an Andretti Cadillac team would harm rather than help the sport.

Some believed that having to split funding between 11 teams rather than 10 would disadvantage them, as the new outfit would take more out of the pot than it would contribute. Which today’s announcement does seem to support, adding that the mere presence of an 11th team does not add value on its own: ‘The most significant way in which a new entrant would bring value is by being competitive. We do not believe that the Applicant would be a competitive participant.’ Don’t sit on the fence there, folks.

Whatever the reality, the unavoidable truth is that the Andretti Cadillac dream is no more for now. It would have to be imagined that the decision will be appealed, or a new approach employed, given the apparent intent and progress aspired to. The one silver lining in a 20-point memo of doom is that FOM have said it would ‘look differently’ on an application for the 2028 Championship with a GM power unit (which it is already formally registered with the FIA for) as either a works or customer team. So not all hope is lost yet. The Andrettis and Cadillac appeared very serious indeed about getting on the grid; presumably a set back, along with a glimmer of hope for the future, will only further their determination.


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I would rather be sailing

Original Poster:

64 posts

90 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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What a shame. How can the combination of GM and Andretti with its years of success devalue F1. Leave that to Haas which has never contributed a thing to F1 or motorsport in general.

thegreenhell

23,977 posts

249 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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They irony is there are several teams currently in F1 who would fail the criteria against which Andretti are being judged. F1 is in danger of disappearing up its own bumhole.

Andrew-zg2qw

22 posts

124 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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The level of objection from FOM seems to border on hostility. I find this particularly strange given that the FOM is owned by US Liberty Media. There is more to this than meets the eye - that’s for sure.

thegreenhell

23,977 posts

249 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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Andrew-zg2qw said:
The level of objection from FOM seems to border on hostility. I find this particularly strange given that the FOM is owned by US Liberty Media. There is more to this than meets the eye - that’s for sure.
I suspect it's a shot at the FIA to stop meddling as much as it is at Andretti.

Antj

1,148 posts

230 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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what's that noise,,,,,,, is it ringing.......

Yup its Gene Haas' phone ringing with an offer to buy. I know he said he won't but i bet he will. Andretti want in, Gene can't really be that happy and if theirs an out for him i can see him doing it and fast. solves both their problems

Maccmike8

1,608 posts

84 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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More teams the merrier but this stinks simply of greed by all involved.

griffsomething

409 posts

191 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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Haas or ‘RB cash app visa racing bulls’ or whatever they are called will be snapped up in the next year or two then I suspect, and rebranded as Cadillac. GM aren’t going to want to sit around and watch Ford-Red Bull get all the publicity of being in F1.

ManyMotors

1,103 posts

128 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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Formula 1 needs General Motors more than General Motors needs Formula 1. With a $3+ billion advertising budget, GM could have added significantly to the series' visibility and, hopefully, competitiveness. This past year of what's-his-name's dominance was very, very boring. (Of course, I know his name is Verstappen who unfortunately possesses the personality of a wooden shoe - a half pair).

Muzzer79

13,101 posts

217 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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I would rather be sailing said:
What a shame. How can the combination of GM and Andretti with its years of success devalue F1.
Playing devil's advocate, the entry didn't actually involve GM from the start. Their engine would come later and Andretti would use Renault power for the first 3 years.

F1 have said that if there is a works GM powerplant, they'll look more favourably at an entry in 2028.

thegreenhell

23,977 posts

249 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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Muzzer79 said:
Playing devil's advocate, the entry didn't actually involve GM from the start. Their engine would come later and Andretti would use Renault power for the first 3 years.

F1 have said that if there is a works GM powerplant, they'll look more favourably at an entry in 2028.
By which time there will be a new Concorde Agreement in place, in which the teams will have negotiated a far higher anti-dilution fund than the current $200 million. It's likely to be 3-5 times higher by then.

But it's not about the money, oh no...

subirg

773 posts

306 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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thegreenhell said:
They irony is there are several teams currently in F1 who would fail the criteria against which Andretti are being judged. F1 is in danger of disappearing up its own bumhole.
This. All day long.

Another debacle of a decision for FOM. Couple this with the Mickey Mouse 2026 regulations and the utter boredom of 2023, topped off with more and more dull new city tracks - F1 is heading to a much darker and less inspiring place.

Clowns.

Blib

48,113 posts

227 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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Apparently, the teams were not consulted about this decision.

Martin Brundle's view.



Overall, he backs the decision.



smilo996

3,837 posts

200 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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How odd for Americans not to bend the rules for other Americans wanting to get in on the action. Never stopped them before and the statement seems very aggressive. Though thee is som sense in the rule change and timing. Perhaps making them wait until F1 gets so diluted that even US teams and drivers can win....

DodgyGeezer

48,995 posts

220 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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Maccmike8 said:
More teams the merrier but this stinks simply of greed by all involved.
this ^^^

Megaflow

11,525 posts

255 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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Blib said:
Apparently, the teams were not consulted about this decision.

Martin Brundle's view.



Overall, he backs the decision.
I like Martin Brundle as a man, but you can’t take what he says about F1 seriously any more, non of them will say anything against F1 because they don’t want to be kicked off the gravy train

The Vambo

7,714 posts

171 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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Clearly the right decision, you don't get to walk into one of the worlds great sports at the very peak of it's popularity by just flashing your surname and not much else.

Bringing in GM would be a whole different proposition.


Equus

16,980 posts

131 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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thegreenhell said:
F1 is in danger of disappearing up its own bumhole.
This.

The Vambo said:
...you don't get to walk into one of the worlds great sports at the very peak of it's popularity by just flashing your surname and not much else
As a sport, it was a whole lot greater when you could walk into it with a car built by someone clever in a unit on an industrial estate and driven by someone who actually had more talent than ego, rather than a car built by anyone with a big enough budget to follow a stupidly over-elaborate rulebook and driven by an overpaid prima donna who never learned to change gear properly because he has a computer to do that for him.

Just my opinion...

The Vambo

7,714 posts

171 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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Equus said:
thegreenhell said:
F1 is in danger of disappearing up its own bumhole.
This.

The Vambo said:
...you don't get to walk into one of the worlds great sports at the very peak of it's popularity by just flashing your surname and not much else
As a sport, it was a whole lot greater when you could walk into it with a car built by someone clever in a unit on an industrial estate and driven by someone who actually had more talent than ego, rather than a car built by anyone with a big enough budget to follow a stupidly over-elaborate rulebook and driven by an overpaid prima donna who never learned to change gear properly because he has a computer to do that for him.

Just my opinion...
Do you remember Toyota?

CraigyMc

18,369 posts

266 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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Anyone remember USF1, HRT, Virgin or Caterham?

I think it's right to keep new entrants sidelined until they are genuinely ready.

Leithen

14,014 posts

297 months

Wednesday 31st January 2024
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CraigyMc said:
Anyone remember USF1, HRT, Virgin or Caterham?

I think it's right to keep new entrants sidelined until they are genuinely ready.
As posted in the other thread. Anyone remember Stewart?