Headlight condensation in new cars - for shame!
Headlight condensation in new cars - for shame!
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Resolutionary

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1,536 posts

201 months

Thursday 8th February 2024
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Just an observation having noticed it quite a lot in recent months - specifically today, a Carwow vid on the latest ghastly BMW tribe-hauler, but notably on a freshly plated McLaren thingamabob last week in London (among many, many others).

How can / does this happen? I had sort of hoped as we've been manufacturing light housings for a fair few decades now, we'd have mastered the relatively important element of sealing them adequately.

So is it corner-cutting; our collective inability to habitually overcome a seemingly basic automotive problem; or is this genuinely one of those things that we will forever be b'lighted' with? I'd understand if the housing was damaged, tampered with or modified, but it's clearly (or, unclearly) not in cases I've seen.

It's probably trivial to most human beans, but I would be pretty peeved if I ordered a spanking £100k+ car with the unoptioned extra of misty eyes..

normalbloke

8,886 posts

249 months

Thursday 8th February 2024
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More problematic now that most headlights don’t produce any heat, to help keep them dry inside.

unpc

2,998 posts

243 months

Thursday 8th February 2024
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Human beans?

Resolutionary

Original Poster:

1,536 posts

201 months

Thursday 8th February 2024
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normalbloke said:
More problematic now that most headlights don’t produce any heat, to help keep them dry inside.
Didn't think about that! Then again, neither did the engineers, apparently.

unpc said:
Human beans?
Yeah, you know.. windbags.

Beethree

831 posts

119 months

Thursday 8th February 2024
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normalbloke said:
More problematic now that most headlights don’t produce any heat, to help keep them dry inside.
This, old headlamps dried out quickly from the heat produced.
Unless the headlamps are airtight with no moisture in them at all, then surely some condensation is inevitable?

wc98

12,732 posts

170 months

Thursday 8th February 2024
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For all the rocketing prices and supposed quality of the likes of BMW, and those doing the inflation comparison thing everyone forgets that ALL the manufacturers have been driving prices down of their suppliers year on year, hence their huge profits while selling cars made with an increasing amount of cheap ste components, many made in places where the quality control is only in operation when being inspected by the manufacturer they are supplying, no unannounced quality/safety audits to keep them on their toes.

Donkey Apple wrote a hilarious post regarding a fictitious company called Poopsi in i think the finance forum, for me BMW,Mercedes,Porsche and Audi are the Poopsis of the car world. What DA forgot was the overriding desire to create the right appearance in certain sections of society. The trauma little Timmy would face eating Lidl/Tesco own brand crisps or cereal, especially in front of his friends over for a sleepover is similar to that middle income Mike would face if he had to chop the BeeEmm in for a Skoda, hence the success of Poopsi and multiple German car brands. Good for us all in the long run as it keeps people employed while providing a greater choice when it comes to cars and crisps biggrin

carinaman

25,197 posts

202 months

Thursday 8th February 2024
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Take a look at a post 2017 KTM motorcycle. Condensation in the TFT dash, stunning looking 6 LED headlamp with central heat sink spar and the tail light. And that's one bought new from a dealer and is lightly used and kept in a well ventilated brick garage.

POIDH

3,774 posts

95 months

Thursday 8th February 2024
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normalbloke said:
More problematic now that most headlights don’t produce any heat, to help keep them dry inside.
And also get covered in snow as it does not melt. You end up pulling up every few minutes to clear the lights...

Richard-390a0

3,517 posts

121 months

Thursday 8th February 2024
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Resolutionary said:
How can / does this happen? I had sort of hoped as we've been manufacturing light housings for a fair few decades now, we'd have mastered the relatively important element of sealing them adequately...
Except most headlamp units these days have breather vents. rolleyes

hammo19

7,741 posts

226 months

Thursday 8th February 2024
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I had drips of condensation in my TT headlights I spent about an hour with a hair dryer on the outside of the lense and they’ve never been back since.

smithyithy

7,906 posts

148 months

Thursday 8th February 2024
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I was sat behind a Ford Edge the other day in traffic, and noticed the whole central rear light bar (the part within the tailgate) was full of moisture..



cuprabob

19,659 posts

244 months

Thursday 8th February 2024
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hammo19 said:
I had drips of condensation in my TT headlights I spent about an hour with a hair dryer on the outside of the lense and they’ve never been back since.
I'm sorry but that made me chuckle because often the TT is said to be a "hairdresser's" car smile

Trevor555

5,452 posts

114 months

Thursday 8th February 2024
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Big question is would it pass the Mot headlamp beam pattern inspection?

So at three years old you'll find out if you were sold an un road worthy car.

As for a new car, you could argue it's a cosmetic defect.

The car in the brochure, or the demo in the showroom didn't have it.

119

19,979 posts

66 months

Thursday 8th February 2024
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I believe that this is mentioned in the owners manual.

Get a bit on ours but i must admit i haven never given it a second thought.

Trevor555

5,452 posts

114 months

Thursday 8th February 2024
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Hoofy

80,068 posts

312 months

Thursday 8th February 2024
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cuprabob said:
hammo19 said:
I had drips of condensation in my TT headlights I spent about an hour with a hair dryer on the outside of the lense and they’ve never been back since.
I'm sorry but that made me chuckle because often the TT is said to be a "hairdresser's" car smile
hehe

Good tip, though. I've got condensation inside my TT headlights and it only just scraped through the MOT (the tester mentioned the condensation causing a problem).

Evanivitch

26,385 posts

152 months

Thursday 8th February 2024
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It's pretty difficult to seal them for life. Potentially you might find retrofitting a dessicant point on some items might be a better.long term solution. Even equipment that has been filled with dry air will still have a dew point somewhere in the minus 10 region. At normal British temperatures it's usually manageable when freshly assembled.

ecsrobin

18,665 posts

195 months

Thursday 8th February 2024
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Fiat/Abarth mention it in their manuals that it’s perfectly fine to have condensation and it will dissipate when the lights are used and heat up. Seems fine to me?

MustangGT

13,836 posts

310 months

Thursday 8th February 2024
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ecsrobin said:
Fiat/Abarth mention it in their manuals that it’s perfectly fine to have condensation and it will dissipate when the lights are used and heat up. Seems fine to me?
Except LED lights do not heat up much, therefore it remains. Fine for Halogen and possibly Xenon though.

drmotorsport

968 posts

273 months

Thursday 8th February 2024
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I can confirm that if you're a BMW F10/11 owner then the condensation is more than a cosmetic issue as the headlight control module sits at bottom of the headlight unit and the electronics get a bath at great expense, unless you 'modify' the unit with drain holes.