RE: New Audi S3 gets more power, RS3 diff
RE: New Audi S3 gets more power, RS3 diff
Tuesday 13th February 2024

New Audi S3 gets more power, RS3 diff

333hp, Torque Splitter, more negative camber, bigger brakes - might this be the S3 we've been waiting for?


It wouldn’t be unreasonable to call the 8Y Audi S3 a disappointment. It wasn’t really any more gratifying to drive than its predecessor, while also being less enjoyable to look at and less pleasing to sit in. You know something’s up if the fast Audi isn’t even that handsome or well-built. So there’s now a new S3, and it’s a more far-reaching facelift than we’ve come to expect from Audi S and RS cars. Almost like there was some stuff to sort out. 

Power is up from the 2.0-litre turbo four, now rated at 333hp like a Golf R 20 Years rather than the 310hp of before. Moreover, Audi is promising ‘more spontaneous power delivery’ thanks to tweaks that keep the throttle valve open when really going for it and therefore the turbo primed. Just as encouragingly, the slightly slow seven-speed DSG now boasts ‘more rapid acceleration thanks to ‘higher starting torque’ (which seems to translate to an increased idle speed in dynamic mode), shift times halved under full throttle and an increase in engine speed when under partial load in Drive. Plus later upshifts and earlier downchanges, all with the aim of improving responsiveness - exactly what a sometimes sleepy powertrain could benefit from. 0-62mph is rated at 4.7 seconds.  

The introduction of the rear torque splitter differential, as found on the Golf R Performance Pack and RS3, should make a big difference to the drive. Those cars already with it feel much more willing to turn with a chunk of torque going to the outside rear wheel. The torque splitter uses an electronically controlled multiple-disc clutch on each driveshaft to ensure fully variable distribution across the rear axle. There’s even a new drive mode to take full advantage of the dynamic plus setting.

The press release states that this preset enables the torque splitter to send ‘as much drive torque as possible to the rear axle and the rear wheel on the outside of the curve, resulting in a tendency to oversteer.’ Not something we ever imagined reading about an S3. But this must surely be a setting like the Torque Rear of the RS3 and Drift for the Golf where one rear wheel gets up to 100 per cent of the 50 per cent of overall torque that can be sent rearwards. It’s not a BMW-style two-wheel drive mode. Dynamic plus also adjusts the ESC in expectation of a little silliness, promising ‘modest interventions’ to ensure ‘an even more emotional driving experience.’ 

Gets better, too, as the S3 borrows more than just the Torque Splitter from the RS3. (It’s almost like the five-cylinder car won’t be around for much longer, and so all the good stuff gets to live on for a bit longer.) There’s a new pivot bearing on the front axle, which increases negative camber by 1.5 degrees compared to before - a trick that worked nicely on the RS. There are stiffer wishbones as well, which Audi believes will further boost agility. Though progressive steering remains, the ‘characteristics’ have been adjusted, the brakes are larger and wider (357mm x 24mm up front) with bigger pads and new calipers, plus the ESC has been modified separately from the dynamic plus mode. It all points to a much more driver-focused Audi S3, which must be good news. There’s even the option of ‘particularly sporty’ tyres from Falken, with a focus on track performance. 

‘More than a mere product upgrade’ is how Audi describes this latest S3, so perhaps there’s a proper hot hatch and saloon coming out at last. The word ‘exhilarating’ has been used, no less; which does feel a bit of a stretch, but let’s see. Expect the new S3 Sportback and saloon on sale soon - best get someone to mock up this camouflage as a wrap ASAP… 


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WCZ

Original Poster:

11,518 posts

224 months

Tuesday 13th February 2024
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looks questionable in that colour scheme and seems a bit underpowered in the modern world where it's £35k for a 430hp EV but aside from that, good changes!

Bencolem

1,185 posts

269 months

Tuesday 13th February 2024
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Audi is promising ‘more spontaneous power delivery’ thanks to tweaks that keep the throttle valve open when really going for it

What is this nonsense? Surely it’s the throttle pedal that keeps the throttle valve open; I wouldn’t want something else independently keeping it open after I’ve let off the throttle pedal?

J4CKO

46,839 posts

230 months

Tuesday 13th February 2024
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WCZ said:
looks questionable in that colour scheme and seems a bit underpowered in the modern world where it's £35k for a 430hp EV but aside from that, good changes!
Suppose an EV would be a chunk heavier.

Bonefish Blues

36,551 posts

253 months

Tuesday 13th February 2024
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Is anyone really waiting for a new S3, I wonder?

3yardy3

280 posts

144 months

Tuesday 13th February 2024
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WCZ said:
looks questionable in that colour scheme and seems a bit underpowered in the modern world where it's £35k for a 430hp EV but aside from that, good changes!
I agree, the 2010 8p S3 had exactly this power from a simple remap...

howardhughes

1,414 posts

234 months

Tuesday 13th February 2024
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J4CKO said:
Suppose an EV would be a chunk heavier.
And no personality.

Tam_Mullen

2,800 posts

202 months

Tuesday 13th February 2024
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howardhughes said:
J4CKO said:
Suppose an EV would be a chunk heavier.
And no personality.
Ah yes, because these 2.0L Turbo AWD hatches are known for their personality smile

Om

2,190 posts

108 months

Tuesday 13th February 2024
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Bonefish Blues said:
Is anyone really waiting for a new S3, I wonder?
Thieves mainly. Though even they may be put off by the colour scheme...

Mike1990

1,151 posts

161 months

Tuesday 13th February 2024
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It’ll be fine car for the daily grind and occasional WOT squirt.

I find the current one in ‘base’ spec in a dark colour strangely appealing!

Tommo87

5,457 posts

143 months

Tuesday 13th February 2024
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3yardy3 said:
WCZ said:
looks questionable in that colour scheme and seems a bit underpowered in the modern world where it's £35k for a 430hp EV but aside from that, good changes!
I agree, the 2010 8p S3 had exactly this power from a simple remap...
Old News flash. Remapped cars produce more power, than unmapped equivalents.




Downward

5,655 posts

133 months

Tuesday 13th February 2024
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What’s the price ?
Given the Cupra Leon is now £35k

jimbim

83 posts

160 months

Tuesday 13th February 2024
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Well, no mention of the Akrapovic exhaust in the photos.
That will be a welcome and overdue addition, borrowed from the Golf R too.

1974foggy

750 posts

174 months

Tuesday 13th February 2024
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A3 looking a bit big and bloated these days, shame.
I like the smaller A1 better, but they dont do much interesting with it.

DavidStarkey11

17 posts

116 months

Tuesday 13th February 2024
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For ~£35k there's better options out there including an 8Y RS3 with less than 20k miles.

NGK210

5,009 posts

175 months

Tuesday 13th February 2024
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I assume it’s cheaper than an FL5 Type-R? (Then again, what isn’t?)
And underneath das funky wrap, it’s better looking than a Mk8 Golf R? (Then again, what isn’t?)
In which case, in the absence of a 4WD Leon Cupra hatch, is there a better new all-rounder? (Oh dear.)

Edited by NGK210 on Tuesday 13th February 14:11

jaacck

230 posts

170 months

Tuesday 13th February 2024
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I think the new s3 is better to drive, better to look at and the interior is much nicer than the last one. Not sure what this guy is smoking!

Obviously biased as I have one myself but also had the old one and can speak from experience. Not everybody wants a car to be sliding round corners sideways and are happy to get from A to B quickly, with decent fuel economy and more power than you ever really need at your right foot in comfort.

Looks are subjective but I much prefer the looks of my new car, its a gradual improvement like all Audi's and not a huge change like BMW do for example...



Edited by jaacck on Tuesday 13th February 14:39

Dohnut

681 posts

76 months

Tuesday 13th February 2024
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Why have they got the ride height of an SUV?

Terminator X

20,666 posts

234 months

Tuesday 13th February 2024
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WCZ said:
looks questionable in that colour scheme and seems a bit underpowered in the modern world where it's £35k for a 430hp EV but aside from that, good changes!
Petrol is always underpowered Vs EV, makes you wonder why they even bother scratchchin

TX.

nismo48

7,068 posts

237 months

Tuesday 13th February 2024
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Tommo87 said:
3yardy3 said:
WCZ said:
looks questionable in that colour scheme and seems a bit underpowered in the modern world where it's £35k for a 430hp EV but aside from that, good changes!
I agree, the 2010 8p S3 had exactly this power from a simple remap...
Old News flash. Remapped cars produce more power, than unmapped equivalents.
True

WCZ

Original Poster:

11,518 posts

224 months

Tuesday 13th February 2024
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DavidStarkey11 said:
For ~£35k there's better options out there including an 8Y RS3 with less than 20k miles.
can't see how it's going to be £35k, atm on the configuator the S3 saloon is £50k with a cpl of options