RE: Incoming Audi RS3 bests BMW M2 'ring record
RE: Incoming Audi RS3 bests BMW M2 'ring record
Friday 21st June 2024

Incoming Audi RS3 bests BMW M2 'ring record

The updated RS3 is imminent. The Nurburgring stopwatch suggests it has moved the game on significantly


As sure as death and taxes, German carmakers are going to vie for stopwatch-based superiority on the Nurburgring. Probably it has less to do with sales these days than it being a badge of honour; especially as setting a lap time is often part of the validation process for performance models. The latest car to radiate under a ‘job done’ lap record is the incoming Audi RS3, which, at the hands of development driver Frank Strippler, arrowed around the Nordschleife in 7:33.123 to retake the top spot in the ‘compact cars’ class. 

This is significant for two reasons. Firstly, and no doubt satisfyingly for the team responsible, the latest iteration of the RS3 - which hasn’t been revealed yet - is significantly quicker than the outgoing version. You may recall that in 2021 it too was the record-holder, having bested the Honda Civic Type R by 4 seconds with a 7:40.748 lap. On the basis that there will be no additional power from the inline-five (its output remains 400hp) this obviously says good things about the other changes made to the facelifted model. 

Specifically, this is said to be due to the ‘optimised cornering behaviour’ Audi has found in the relationship between the fully variable torque splitter, the stability control, the torque vectoring and the optional adaptive dampers, all of it enhanced by a new modular vehicle dynamics controller. “That was the key to our success,” noted Strippler. “The new RS 3 turns in more willingly at corner entry thanks to fine-tuning – including brake torque vectoring – which allows the vehicle to be positioned earlier and better for corner exit from the apex, at the latest. The result is a lower steering angle from apex to corner exit, which leads to less friction and earlier acceleration, allowing you to carry more momentum and speed onto each subsequent straight."

Secondly, by returning to the top of the leaderboard, Audi has pushed its mortal enemy into the silver medal position. Just last year BMW was lauding the new M2 for besting the RS3’s previous time with a 7:38.706 at its Four Cars, One Day event - a significant scalp for the final pure combustion M car. Not that we expect it to spend very long in Audi’s shadow - rumours of a forthcoming CS version (or something very much like it) have been bubbling for months. Like we said: death and taxes. 


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ChrisCh86

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1,127 posts

73 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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What a great photo of the team beer

Sounds like this will be a fantastic all-rounder, but the usual caveats apply - it will be expensive and a thief magnet.


If you can afford it though, and you can secure it - there's not a more complete everyday car available.

CG2020UK

2,962 posts

69 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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Some time considering the RS3s humble beginnings and its actual practicality.

Been defending the latest RS3 for months on here having actually driven one. Think it’s a fantastic car so the fact it seems to be made better is great news.

I do firmly believe these Nurburgring times are just marketing but it does give some indication of the potential cars have and is good fun.


popeyewhite

23,042 posts

149 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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An astonishingly fast Audi A3 with an astonishing price tag.

I mean yeah, I'd have one..for a week or two.

Harry_523

541 posts

128 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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ChrisCh86 said:
What a great photo of the team beer

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"Audisport, where diversity means simply having hair"

IMI A

9,997 posts

230 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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I was chatting to my son today about our Mk8 Golf R (same platform as RS3) on our daily blast to college 4 up and we felt the R would be quicker than our manual 700bhp 997.1 turbo around a circuit in our hands. Hatchbacks and saloons have really moved on especially the way DSG interfaces with engine, trick diff, turbo boosting while on the brakes, and torque vectoring chassis. Its a flipping rocket ship I think it may have to be an RS3 next!

Chuck328

1,633 posts

196 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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Yep, very good.

And I'll bet my Logitech steering wheel has more feedback and feel than that piece of.......

( I do need to update my PH garage. Our S3 is gone, thank goodness.)

Carl_VivaEspana

15,831 posts

291 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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Can they design an anti-theft system that cannot be defeated by a 12 year old ?

nismo48

7,026 posts

236 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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Some nice photos and a pretty good all round car too

AllyM

534 posts

205 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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popeyewhite said:
I mean yeah, I'd have one..for a week or two.
Yeh, before it is stolen.

Mysstree

547 posts

75 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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Harry_523 said:
"Audisport, where diversity means simply having hair"
There’s a few slapheads there.
How they managed to do it without an ass kicking lesbian girl boss we will probably never know.

Niguy

181 posts

55 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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Audi have massacred the RS3 front grille

Look what they done to my boy!

MistOnHeads

10 posts

130 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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I assumed a car would need to be released and on the market to qualify?

Angelo1985

797 posts

55 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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IMI A said:
I was chatting to my son today about our Mk8 Golf R (same platform as RS3) on our daily blast to college 4 up and we felt the R would be quicker than our manual 700bhp 997.1 turbo around a circuit in our hands. Hatchbacks and saloons have really moved on especially the way DSG interfaces with engine, trick diff, turbo boosting while on the brakes, and torque vectoring chassis. Its a flipping rocket ship I think it may have to be an RS3 next!
That’s progress for you smile

A few years ago, top gear made a 3 car test with 3 15-20 years old super saloons (including a E63). They decided to set a time using a modern hot hatch (an Astra opc driven by the stig). Result: the Astra was 5-6 seconds faster than any of the saloons, despite having almost half the power (but also half the age)!

Firebobby

992 posts

68 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! So boring a 10 yr old could drive it quickly. I'd have an M2 every single time.

Pica-Pica

16,581 posts

113 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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I gave up when I read ‘bested’.

bigyoungdave

330 posts

56 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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Firebobby said:
Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! So boring a 10 yr old could drive it quickly. I'd have an M2 every single time.
Similar thoughts here. Sad thing is BMW will probs now focus on trying to beat this time with the CS or the comp rather than trying to make an even more fun/playful rear biased compact M car.

oedipus

450 posts

95 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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It’s not enough to have a car that goes at least twice as fast as is legally allowed or accelerate at a rate that means waiting even longer in the next queue - you have to be able to round a piece of track in Germany faster that any other cars roughly the same as yours. And pay stupid money for all these spurious characteristics.

Baldchap

9,624 posts

121 months

Friday 21st June 2024
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Bet a quid someone who has never driven anything interesting tells us it's boring.

Chuck328

1,633 posts

196 months

Saturday 22nd June 2024
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Baldchap said:
Bet a quid someone who has never driven anything interesting tells us it's boring.
I see you have a 410 in your garage, I have the 400.

These Audi's are superbly fast. But numb. Very Numb. Whilst I didn't own the RS, I did own the S3. Never gelled with it. The wife did,

What's the point of my Lotus ref? Enjoyment. I'm new to Lotus having been Lancer Evo. Both massive enjoyment.

For me, Audi?

NO.


big_rob_sydney

3,671 posts

223 months

Saturday 22nd June 2024
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What is the improvement in ring time? 7:40 to 7:33. That's roughly 1.5%.

How much of that is down to tire tech? Wouldn't it be funny if they made minimal changes to chassis control, and the majority of this was due to tires...

And the cost of the car? Wow. For an Audi.