RE: Exceedingly rare Hartge BMW M3 (E36) for sale
RE: Exceedingly rare Hartge BMW M3 (E36) for sale
Sunday 23rd June 2024

Exceedingly rare Hartge BMW M3 (E36) for sale

Only six are believed to be in the UK. A no-expense-spared restoration ensures this is one of the sweetest


There really was a performance BMW for everyone back in the '80s and '90s. Those wanting the ultimate driver’s car could count on the company’s M division, while Alpina catered to buyers eyeing M3 performance minus the racy bodykit and firmer suspension. For readers of Max Power there was AC Schnizter and Hamann. But for the really barmy stuff, you needed to pay Hartge a visit. 

Not that you’d necessarily know that just by looking at their offerings, because while Hartge would always adorn its projects with glitzier wheels, puffier body kits and taller spoilers, they weren’t nearly as extravagant as, say, the aforementioned AC Schnitzer cars. Instead, Hartge’s loopyness stems from squeezing big engines into smaller BMWs. Think shoehorning the E39 M5’s S62 V8 in to the E46 M3 (sounds sacrilegious, but also intriguing), or slotting the S85 V10 from the E60 M5 into the E90 M3, and so on. Even when it left the standard engine in place, Hartge would never send a tuned car out the door with the same capacity it came in with.

That’s exactly what happened when it first got its hands on this E36 M3. Registration in 1998 puts this E36 among the late twin Vanos variable valve timing Evo models, the most desirable of this generation M3 short of the special editions, meaning the bigger 3.2-litre S50 motor with 321hp and 258lb ft of torque on tap. However, one month into ownership, the original custodian of this M3 sent it off to Birds (then the UK’s distributor for Hartge) for a stroke and bore increase to 3.5 litres, bringing a decent hike in performance to 350hp and 298lb ft. That's right, there's more power and torque on offer here than in the newer E46 M3. 

Not only that, but the underpinnings were given a major shake-up too. The standard springs and dampers were ditched for ‘uprated’ alternatives, while the stock exhaust was replaced with Hartge’s own stainless steel system, which the ad claims delivers ‘a burbly snort like no other.’ As you might expect given the cat has been thrown out with the old system. Topping it all off was the fitment of a strut brace to further stiffen the chassis, which should mean this E36 feels as fresh as it would have done 26 years ago.

Especially as it’s been put through an exhaustive, three-month restoration more recently that, according to the ad, has set the previous owner back ‘tens of thousands of pounds.’ And it’s not hard to see why, with the underbody being stripped back to the bare metal to remove any corrosion, the suspension components blasted and powered coated with new seals and bushes, and the Hartge-branded brakes were reassembled with fresh pads, discs and fluids. There’s no mention of whether the paintwork or interior receiving the same treatment, but the pictures suggest it’s immaculate inside and out - including a fully stocked tool kit inside the boot lid.

Word on the internet is that it’s one of only six Hartge E36 M3s in the UK, with the steering wheel on the correct side, and it’s unlikely the other five have received the same care and attention as this one. And because of that, it costs the proverbial arm and leg at £49,000. Now, E36s have been slowly creeping up in recent years, but not by that much. This '97 car with similar mileage is half the price, and then there’s this M3 saloon previously owned by Jay Kay for £35,900. But the Hartge really is very special, particularly as the German tuner closed its doors five years ago. So what’ll it be then? The blue base car, the famous four-door or the Hartge hellraiser? 


See the original advert here

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Simon Lee 100

Original Poster:

33 posts

137 months

Sunday 23rd June 2024
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What a fantastic interior. Those seats! The whole design of the car stands up so well after quarter of a century.

wistec1

794 posts

70 months

Sunday 23rd June 2024
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Beyond rare and unlikely to be seen by many in the wild this has to be BMW collectors grade motoring. It's a bit left field for some granted but the price certainly isn't which considering the restoration costs claimed makes this look a good buy with low if an depreciation.

ucb

1,112 posts

241 months

Sunday 23rd June 2024
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I always preferred the Hartge mods to the Alpina ones back in the day.
A shame Hartge no longer operate AIUI

stuart100

1,171 posts

86 months

Sunday 23rd June 2024
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Simon Lee 100 said:
What a fantastic interior. Those seats! The whole design of the car stands up so well after quarter of a century.
I think most people regarded the interior as poor at the time.

GreatScott2016

2,511 posts

117 months

Sunday 23rd June 2024
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The thing that stands out for me, is the simple yet elegant interior. Not usually a fan of tan interiors, but that does look good. Lovely thing although I couldn’t part with the asking price.

Robertb

3,846 posts

267 months

Sunday 23rd June 2024
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If it’s been de-catted won’t it fail the MOT?

Looks like a great example but I prefer the original wheels and no stripes. Astonishing condition.

Its Just Adz

18,865 posts

238 months

Sunday 23rd June 2024
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That's really nice!
Would make a great Sunday toy.

MarkJS

2,164 posts

176 months

Sunday 23rd June 2024
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GreatScott2016 said:
The thing that stands out for me, is the simple yet elegant interior. Not usually a fan of tan interiors, but that does look good. Lovely thing although I couldn’t part with the asking price.
Tan?

I’ll take a standard M3 thanks. The Hartge bits don’t add anything for me.

Firebobby

991 posts

68 months

Sunday 23rd June 2024
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Hmm! a standard M3 of the era would be my first choice. Certainly not a fan of the Hartge decals though, interior looks good and perfectly acceptable.
IMHO as always.

Black S2K

1,900 posts

278 months

Sunday 23rd June 2024
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stuart100 said:
Simon Lee 100 said:
What a fantastic interior. Those seats! The whole design of the car stands up so well after quarter of a century.
I think most people regarded the interior as poor at the time.
IIRC, it was considered 'plasticy' - as if it would be made of anything else...

I think what they meant was it was a bit low-rent and mass-productiony and lost that high-quality aesthetic of the E30.

The ergonomics were perfectly acceptable.

911Spanker

3,642 posts

45 months

Sunday 23rd June 2024
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Would most people have more fun in this on road or the new goofy toothed thing?

mooseracer

2,784 posts

199 months

Sunday 23rd June 2024
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GreatScott2016 said:
The thing that stands out for me, is the simple yet elegant interior. Not usually a fan of tan interiors, but that does look good. Lovely thing although I couldn’t part with the asking price.
You'll like that one then with it's definitely not tan interior?

GreatScott2016

2,511 posts

117 months

Sunday 23rd June 2024
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MarkJS said:
GreatScott2016 said:
The thing that stands out for me, is the simple yet elegant interior. Not usually a fan of tan interiors, but that does look good. Lovely thing although I couldn’t part with the asking price.
Tan?

I’ll take a standard M3 thanks. The Hartge bits don’t add anything for me.
Apologies, I meant a “light” interior smile

Loplop

2,009 posts

214 months

Sunday 23rd June 2024
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Black S2K said:
stuart100 said:
Simon Lee 100 said:
What a fantastic interior. Those seats! The whole design of the car stands up so well after quarter of a century.
I think most people regarded the interior as poor at the time.
IIRC, it was considered 'plasticy' - as if it would be made of anything else...

I think what they meant was it was a bit low-rent and mass-productiony and lost that high-quality aesthetic of the E30.

The ergonomics were perfectly acceptable.
Yeah, the ergonomics are decent, but one thing that has continuously surprised me on the E36s up-and-up over the past 10 years or so is people lumping them in with E34s and the like as from a 'time when BMW really knew how to build a car' or something along those lines. Yes, they look nice, yes they drive well, but they were not at all built well and more often than not feeling like they're falling apart.

I still say you've got to really want the E36 to get one in this day, because for the money an equivalent E46 is going to be better. I had a friend spend a good few K on making a 328i into a track toy, and I kept telling him he should've just started with an E46 330i. By the time you've done some breathing mods, had it mapped and fitted a tonne of E46 suspension components to an E36 328i, you've maybe got a car as capable as a stripped out, stock 330i round a track.

It boggles the mind.

Slowlygettingit

942 posts

70 months

Sunday 23rd June 2024
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Absolutely awful wheels. Especially when the designs of BMWs alloys were lovely for the the e36m3

s m

24,471 posts

232 months

Sunday 23rd June 2024
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911Spanker said:
Would most people have more fun in this on road or the new goofy toothed thing?
I’m not sure “they’d get their head round” the stick thing in front of the handbrake or wondering where the Apple AirPlay button was or lots of other mod cons hehe


And that’s before they started stressing about the E36 NCAP rating

Augustus Windsock

3,788 posts

184 months

Sunday 23rd June 2024
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Likely to go for more than the asking price of the Hartge car, but I’d go for it in preference, very rare to see one and even more so with such low mileage
I’m sure I’ll be flamed for that…!

Water Fairy

6,591 posts

184 months

Sunday 23rd June 2024
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I expected it to be more tbh

Nice but without the stripes for me.

Actually, no, I'll take the E46 M3 anyway.

Kawasicki

14,365 posts

264 months

Sunday 23rd June 2024
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Loplop said:
Yeah, the ergonomics are decent, but one thing that has continuously surprised me on the E36s up-and-up over the past 10 years or so is people lumping them in with E34s and the like as from a 'time when BMW really knew how to build a car' or something along those lines. Yes, they look nice, yes they drive well, but they were not at all built well and more often than not feeling like they're falling apart.

I still say you've got to really want the E36 to get one in this day, because for the money an equivalent E46 is going to be better. I had a friend spend a good few K on making a 328i into a track toy, and I kept telling him he should've just started with an E46 330i. By the time you've done some breathing mods, had it mapped and fitted a tonne of E46 suspension components to an E36 328i, you've maybe got a car as capable as a stripped out, stock 330i round a track.

It boggles the mind.
Age related issues aside, give me an e36 over an e46 any time.

The e46 was built with the target to be a more refined/quiet version of the e36. It’s a fat e36. My e36 was refined enough for me. It was also reliable, even though it lived a very hard life.

I would pick an e90 over an e46, they actually improved the driving dynamics massively.

JJJ.

5,539 posts

44 months

Sunday 23rd June 2024
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A nice buy for someone and seems realistically priced in this day and age. Good luck to the new owner.