Insurance - proof my vehicle isn’t modified!
Insurance - proof my vehicle isn’t modified!
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D1bram

Original Poster:

1,518 posts

200 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2024
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Just changed cars, gone from a focus ST-3 to a van, well a van which is classed as a car but is definitely a van.

It is a 6 seat Renault master, on log book as a MPV.

Anyway, going from 250bhp to 100bhp I thought about a remap. Checked insurance implications before I bought it and decided more hassle than it’s worth.

Thought no more until I got an email today asking for photos of the vehicle and stating they might need to amend or cancel my policy… I called up and they explained they had become aware that I had requested for a quote with the vehicle remapped and that I needed to send proof it isn’t modified.

Anyway, photos duly sent, though I’m not sure how a photo proves it isn’t mapped!

In 27 years of driving cars, vans and bikes, standard and modified (always declared!) I’ve never had anything like this.

Super Sonic

14,286 posts

83 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2024
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Can you write, on a piece of paper
"(Vehicle details) is not modified", sign it, and send a photo of that?

D1bram

Original Poster:

1,518 posts

200 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2024
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Oh I was assured these photos will satisfy them. I just found it weird, I suspected a scam which is why I called them.

Heathwood

3,033 posts

231 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2024
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What exactly did you send photos of? What do they think a remap looks like?

Zetec-S

6,887 posts

122 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2024
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Heathwood said:
What exactly did you send photos of? What do they think a remap looks like?
Photo of the satnav?

valiant

14,170 posts

189 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2024
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Just send a photo of the engine with 'unmapped' written on a sheet of A4 placed on top.


Ari

19,814 posts

244 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2024
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Strong shades of people sending photos of a sad face and an empty plate when asked for photographic proof that their Uber Eats failed to arrive! laugh

foggy

1,215 posts

311 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2024
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Had the same from Admiral a good few years ago when I enquired at renewal time about additional premium for modified suspension and changing seats. Never did go through with the mods in the end, but received a grumpy message a few months later demanding additional premium for mods or threats of cancellation etc. Quick call soon nipped it in the bud, but the bloody cheek of the tone of the message…

Olivera

8,768 posts

268 months

Wednesday 3rd July 2024
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Only real solution is to send the ECU fuelling and ignition tables to the insurer, so they can compare against OEM.

thejaywills

657 posts

136 months

Thursday 4th July 2024
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The insurance game in the UK is fast becoming a joke. You can't prove a negative, especially one as undetectable as a remap..

Alex Z

2,065 posts

105 months

Thursday 4th July 2024
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thejaywills said:
The insurance game in the UK is fast becoming a joke. You can't prove a negative, especially one as undetectable as a remap..
While that’s true, you can catch people out who’ve also fitted new wheels, lowered suspension, stickered up bodywork and so on.

ecsrobin

18,662 posts

194 months

Thursday 4th July 2024
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I’m sure what you’ve done is something many people do, I know I have previously asked and then said not worth the increase and thought nothing of it.

J4CKO

46,831 posts

229 months

Thursday 4th July 2024
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I would contact them and say that it was an enquiry and I did not proceed, as a remap is software which is unreadable it is not possible to provide, without extensive technical kit and knowhow a photograph to evidence a remap not being present.

Insurance is based on "Uberrima fides", or utmost good faith so you will have to take my word that the van has not been remapped.

Requesting a photo for something that is not a physical alteration seems rather pointless and doesnt fill me with confidence of your technical competencies, may as well send a picture of my dog, he is definitely chipped though.

They may just void your insurance though, so just send them a photo, maybe pose on the bonnet in a David Brent pose ?


AlexGSi2000

800 posts

223 months

Thursday 4th July 2024
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Interesting MrBond....

Only time I have come across this is specialist insurance for fixed value.

Think a mate of mine had his Evo with mods declared, which bumped up the value of the car a fair bit.
Think the insurance just wanted clarification if the parts were actually fitted to the car!

Arrivalist

3,511 posts

28 months

Thursday 4th July 2024
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Email them asking for proof that it is.

Baldchap

9,624 posts

121 months

Thursday 4th July 2024
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I'd send a photo of me driving it with a sad frown on my face. laugh

Krikkit

27,938 posts

210 months

Thursday 4th July 2024
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All they're really doing is getting some content from you in response to "tell us if it's modified" - if they later find out it is they can refuse your claim. It doesn't matter that the content they have doesn't explicitly show what they're asking about, they're just wanting something from you to squirrel away.

STe_rsv4

1,250 posts

127 months

Thursday 4th July 2024
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Only way to prove this is Gopro on the steering wheel and multiple 0-60 launches along the local dual carriageway.
Send the video to the insurers and ask them to verify times agianst manufacturers specifications wink

Dingu

4,893 posts

59 months

Thursday 4th July 2024
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thejaywills said:
The insurance game in the UK is fast becoming a joke. You can't prove a negative, especially one as undetectable as a remap..
You must be doing well to want to pay more to cover liars.

BrettMRC

5,997 posts

189 months

Thursday 4th July 2024
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STe_rsv4 said:
Only way to prove this is Gopro on the steering wheel and multiple 0-60 launches along the local dual carriageway.
Send the video to the insurers and ask them to verify times agianst manufacturers specifications wink
GoPro on the steering wheel? Undeclared modification sir... hehe