2030 ICE ban - back on?
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Labour said before the election they would reinstate the 2030 deadline for new ICE car sales. If they stick by that commitment, we now only have 5.5yrs left of new petrol cars in this country.
Assuming they go full term and don't u-turn, there won't be time to reverse it by the end of this parliament.
Assuming they go full term and don't u-turn, there won't be time to reverse it by the end of this parliament.
I work for a manufacturer and I can tell you that when Boris made the announcement to bring the ICE ban from 2040 to 2030, most of the legacy manufacturers were really P***sed off.
when Rishi decided to push back, it was a bit of a relief however if they were to re introduce the 2030 ban, it will cause a lot more problems as we're losing money on EVs that we sell since July 2023.
I really hope that they stick to the date of 2035.
right now I will be keeping an eye on the budget and the US election.
when Rishi decided to push back, it was a bit of a relief however if they were to re introduce the 2030 ban, it will cause a lot more problems as we're losing money on EVs that we sell since July 2023.
I really hope that they stick to the date of 2035.
right now I will be keeping an eye on the budget and the US election.
Yes 2030 for the end of new ICE cars under Labour. It is one of their Day 1 pledges.
I expect that second hand EV values will bounce back and also the value of classic cars will increase rapidly over the next few years.
I have had a Tesla for 4 years now and have seen the infrastructure being rolled out but much more is needed as well as solutions for residential streets with no off street parking.
I would not consider an EV without my own drive and therefore my own charger using off peak tariffs, without that EV's dont make financial sense.
Public charging seems to be a free for all with multiple providers and massively varying rates per kw.
Electricity has become so expensive that its almost a luxury now.
Labour have also promised to create a new energy company called GB Energy to reduce our energy bills by a promised £300 per household and will also employ 650,000 people but its not an energy company, its a bank which finances green projects so I doubt if that will see any benefits for a long time.
The world moves on. Change is good they say.
I expect that second hand EV values will bounce back and also the value of classic cars will increase rapidly over the next few years.
I have had a Tesla for 4 years now and have seen the infrastructure being rolled out but much more is needed as well as solutions for residential streets with no off street parking.
I would not consider an EV without my own drive and therefore my own charger using off peak tariffs, without that EV's dont make financial sense.
Public charging seems to be a free for all with multiple providers and massively varying rates per kw.
Electricity has become so expensive that its almost a luxury now.
Labour have also promised to create a new energy company called GB Energy to reduce our energy bills by a promised £300 per household and will also employ 650,000 people but its not an energy company, its a bank which finances green projects so I doubt if that will see any benefits for a long time.
The world moves on. Change is good they say.
PK0001 said:
Labour have also promised to create a new energy company called GB Energy to reduce our energy bills by a promised £300 per household and will also employ 650,000 people but its not an energy company, its a bank which finances green projects so I doubt if that will see any benefits for a long time.
The world moves on. Change is good they say.
Pretty sure that we are the bank here.The world moves on. Change is good they say.
Monkeylegend said:
Zetec-S said:
I didn't think it included hybrids in the ban? Therefore the charging infrastructure is irrelevant?
Many posters seem to forget this and assume it is any ICE car, hybrid or not, unless of course labour change it which wouldn't really be a surprise.Rock and a hard place right now because EVs aren't selling as well as they might.
Alex_225 said:
But I have read that Mercedes and another brand I can't recall seem to have gone back to investing more in petrol engines than they had previously. How true that is I don't know.
Mercedes have a bit of a problem. They defunded their engine development because they planned to transition to EV before the next set of emissions regulations arrived. They have massively failed to do so and are still going to be too reliant on selling ICEs when the next set of EU and Chinese emissions regulations come into force. They now realise that they are going to remain dependent on some ICE sales into the 2030's, and are going to have to pour buckets of cash into satisfying emissions regulations over that period - money which will largely be wasted by the end of the 2030's.PK0001 said:
Yes 2030 for the end of new ICE cars under Labour.
End of new ICE cars which are not plug-in hybrids.About a quarter of new ICEs are hybrid now, and about 40% of those are the plug-in variety. I think given another five or six years of the ICE sector shrinking to the BEV sector and the rump of the ICE sector adding hybridisation and a charge socket, it's not going to really be anything dramatic.
What Labour have pledged to reinstate is a ban on ICE cars that cannot travel a significant distance at zero emissions.
The distance was never agreed upon.
Rishi binned it because someone probably pointed out to him that just about every ICE on sale in 2030 is likely to have that capability anyway, making Boris's plan a bit pointless.
Some of the earlier posters in this thread are talking like it's a ban on all ICEs, new and used.
Whilst there is a remote possibility that Labour don't re-implement Boris plan exactly, and they ban all ICEs including hybrids after 2030, regardless of that, there will still be 25 million or so nearly-new and used ICEs in circulation, reducing at around 5% each year thereafter.
There is no need for anyone to panic.
The distance was never agreed upon.
Rishi binned it because someone probably pointed out to him that just about every ICE on sale in 2030 is likely to have that capability anyway, making Boris's plan a bit pointless.
Some of the earlier posters in this thread are talking like it's a ban on all ICEs, new and used.
Whilst there is a remote possibility that Labour don't re-implement Boris plan exactly, and they ban all ICEs including hybrids after 2030, regardless of that, there will still be 25 million or so nearly-new and used ICEs in circulation, reducing at around 5% each year thereafter.
There is no need for anyone to panic.
Alex_225 said:
But I have read that Mercedes and another brand I can't recall seem to have gone back to investing more in petrol engines than they had previously. How true that is I don't know.
Toyota have made it clear that hybrid power is the more realistic full scale adoption solution for the majority of the world for the foreseeable.People should read Labour's auto sector policy and the manifesto document itself. They're not bound by what the Tories did in terms of watering down the proposals (including allowing hybrids) and they're actively against them.
The manifesto says "And, as set out in our automotive sector plan, Labour will support the transition to electric vehicles by accelerating the roll out of charge points, giving certainty to manufacturers by restoring the phase-out date of 2030 for new cars with internal combustion engines“
I haven't seen anything from them confirming they would continue the Tories' exception for hybrids. It would also align with the 2035 EU ban, that is also excludes ICE engines (unless fuelled by e-fuels or hydrogen or made my low-volume manufacturers).
The manifesto says "And, as set out in our automotive sector plan, Labour will support the transition to electric vehicles by accelerating the roll out of charge points, giving certainty to manufacturers by restoring the phase-out date of 2030 for new cars with internal combustion engines“
I haven't seen anything from them confirming they would continue the Tories' exception for hybrids. It would also align with the 2035 EU ban, that is also excludes ICE engines (unless fuelled by e-fuels or hydrogen or made my low-volume manufacturers).
GT9 said:
What Labour have pledged to reinstate is a ban on ICE cars that cannot travel a significant distance at zero emissions.
The distance was never agreed upon.
Rishi binned it because someone probably pointed out to him that just about every ICE on sale in 2030 is likely to have that capability anyway, making Boris's plan a bit pointless.
Some of the earlier posters in this thread are talking like it's a ban on all ICEs, new and used.
Whilst there is a remote possibility that Labour don't re-implement Boris plan exactly, and they ban all ICEs including hybrids after 2030, regardless of that, there will still be 25 million or so nearly-new and used ICEs in circulation, reducing at around 5% each year thereafter.
There is no need for anyone to panic.
This but you also cannot just turn off the production of petrol and diesel fuels as the number of ICE vehicles on the road declines.The distance was never agreed upon.
Rishi binned it because someone probably pointed out to him that just about every ICE on sale in 2030 is likely to have that capability anyway, making Boris's plan a bit pointless.
Some of the earlier posters in this thread are talking like it's a ban on all ICEs, new and used.
Whilst there is a remote possibility that Labour don't re-implement Boris plan exactly, and they ban all ICEs including hybrids after 2030, regardless of that, there will still be 25 million or so nearly-new and used ICEs in circulation, reducing at around 5% each year thereafter.
There is no need for anyone to panic.
We have had wine lakes, petrol lakes anyone?
otolith said:
If they were bringing forward the 2035 date rather than restoring the Tory 2030 date, they would say so.
They've said explicitly they're bringing the date forward to 2030. The language they've used is they don't support the Tory watering down of their previous proposals. They're in power now and can be as explicit as they like when it comes to allowing hybrids (or not). I guess we'll see in pretty short order.
The current policy is here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/transit...
With one interesting piece:
"Between 2030 and 2035, new cars and vans can be sold if they have significant zero emission capability, which would include some plug-in and full hybrids. The definition of significant zero emission capability will be consulted on later this year."
in this page:
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/consul...
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/transit...
With one interesting piece:
"Between 2030 and 2035, new cars and vans can be sold if they have significant zero emission capability, which would include some plug-in and full hybrids. The definition of significant zero emission capability will be consulted on later this year."
in this page:
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/consul...
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