Reducing road deaths to Zero
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website said:
First implemented in Sweden in the 1990s, Vision Zero has proved successful across Europe.
Whilst I agree that zero casualties/deaths is a admirable target, I can't see any actual data on their claimed successes to date (even after reading the 'model' Swedish road safety report, which is also just full of aims and recommendations).RSTurboPaul said:
You won't circumvent the Manchester cameras that easy....I wonder whether this lot are smiling so cheerfully because.
1. The prospect of zero road deaths.
or
2. The plump salaries they are receiving.
https://visionzeronetwork.org/about/our-team/
1. The prospect of zero road deaths.
or
2. The plump salaries they are receiving.
https://visionzeronetwork.org/about/our-team/
Total rubbish, even as simply a target, this is dangerous, hateful idealistic nonsense just like Communism, and it's the same sort of people who endorse this bull. Why? The law of diminishing returns. It's easy to achieve 70% of a goal with 70% effort. But to take that up to 80% will need 120% effort, 90% will need 300% effort, and so on. Driving will become hell on earth (it is already highly oppressive) and the gains will be very very reduced. Zero deaths on the road, only way that is going to happen is to remove anything that might be called a road. No other way. And then more people will then die from slipping when walking, falling off bicycles (on non-roads), being mauled by dogs, having trees fall on them, or from being struck by lightning. Freedoms are not free. Freedoms come at a price. The price for freedom to drive, to be able to use roads in a perfectly reasonably manner without being subject to extreme restrictions, i.e. lack of freedoms, is that unfortunately one can not expect it to be a 100% risk free activity.
mmm-five said:
website said:
First implemented in Sweden in the 1990s, Vision Zero has proved successful across Europe.
Whilst I agree that zero casualties/deaths is a admirable target, I can't see any actual data on their claimed successes to date (even after reading the 'model' Swedish road safety report, which is also just full of aims and recommendations).Drive on the right
Road deaths are approximately 10% of total accidental deaths (17,590 in 2011). Deaths from accidental poisoning exceed those from road accidents.
Only anti-car zealots would focus on reducing road deaths to zero when 90% of accidental death causes lie elsewhere.
Only anti-car zealots would focus on reducing road deaths to zero when 90% of accidental death causes lie elsewhere.
Edited by bigothunter on Wednesday 10th July 22:54
eldar said:
mmm-five said:
website said:
First implemented in Sweden in the 1990s, Vision Zero has proved successful across Europe.
Whilst I agree that zero casualties/deaths is a admirable target, I can't see any actual data on their claimed successes to date (even after reading the 'model' Swedish road safety report, which is also just full of aims and recommendations).Drive on the right
swisstoni said:
Vision Zero isn’t a great name.
But Vision Zero is a great game.It gives justification for authorities to take whatever measures they wish, in the pursuit of an impossible target. Road deaths and serious injuries can never reach zero.
Brilliant but cynical strategy to justify draconian restrictions.
Billy_Rosewood said:
thegreenhell said:
The only way to truly get to zero is to ban all forms of road transport leaving the house.
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