I’ll stick to old cars please
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Due to a cretin driving into our e-Up! I have the deep joy of a Nissan Juke for a few days. Wow. What a horrible, horrible thing.
Things that can get in the sea:
Lane assist constantly buzzing
Speed limit warning constantly pinging
Nasty, scratchy plastics everywhere
Wind noise that makes you wonder if a window is open
Gutless, noisy engine
Hold assist that comes on if you stop for even a second
Piece de resistance: turning off the speed limit assist involves choosing the option “on” that is lit up, instead of the option “on” that is greyed out. WTF?!
This is a £25,000 car. Would not recommend.
Things that can get in the sea:
Lane assist constantly buzzing
Speed limit warning constantly pinging
Nasty, scratchy plastics everywhere
Wind noise that makes you wonder if a window is open
Gutless, noisy engine
Hold assist that comes on if you stop for even a second
Piece de resistance: turning off the speed limit assist involves choosing the option “on” that is lit up, instead of the option “on” that is greyed out. WTF?!
This is a £25,000 car. Would not recommend.
I remember getting into a (rental) Golf Mk8 on a hot day. Wanted to get the AC going el rapido. It was all touch screen and swoosh this, swoosh that. Then the car kept talking to me about when to brake etc. I know you can turn these ADAS things off and get used to the functions but, no. Didn't like it.
EmailAddress said:
Half of those complaints are legislation.
Which is why it's best to drive old cars as it's not back dated 
I sold a mate's £40k Cayenne (I think he paid £70k) it was awful
If you opened the door to see what's behind you while reversing - it applied the brakes and refused to move
It was bonging front and rear as I turned in and drove up my tree / shrub lined drive
It drove horribly, it was massive outside and small inside...
I wouldn't have swapped it for my £1K Swift Sport
KTMsm said:
Which is why it's best to drive old cars as it's not back dated
I sold a mate's £40k Cayenne (I think he paid £70k) it was awful
If you opened the door to see what's behind you while reversing - it applied the brakes and refused to move
It was bonging front and rear as I turned in and drove up my tree / shrub lined drive
It drove horribly, it was massive outside and small inside...
I wouldn't have swapped it for my £1K Swift Sport
Reminds me of the first time I drove an etron with rear-view cameras. Before replacing the windscreen I wanted to reposition the car. It was bonging and chiming like a Shaolin temple. I sold a mate's £40k Cayenne (I think he paid £70k) it was awful
If you opened the door to see what's behind you while reversing - it applied the brakes and refused to move
It was bonging front and rear as I turned in and drove up my tree / shrub lined drive
It drove horribly, it was massive outside and small inside...
I wouldn't have swapped it for my £1K Swift Sport
There's a lot to like about newer cars, but agree about a lot of this stuff. Although some of it is strangely inconsistent. Our old (2019) MINI Clubman would refuse to move if your seatbelt wasn't fastened, which was annoying if you wanted to juggle the cars around on the drive. But we don't seem to have the same issue with our 2023 Countryman.
The last 'modern' car that I drove was about six years ago.. a rental Golf for a week's holiday in Cornwall.
Electronic handbrake, stop start & bings 'n' dongs for everything.
Going around some of Cornwalls more rural roads wasnt enjoyable at all.... it felt as though the engine had died on some bends.
Horrible thing, put a damper on the holiday for me.
Ok, it was comfortable & refined...but I was glad to hand the keys back.
My partners brother gave her his old MK1 Focus... a much nicer driving experience.
( My old MK1 Mondeo & Laguna were better than that Golf too).
Electronic handbrake, stop start & bings 'n' dongs for everything.
Going around some of Cornwalls more rural roads wasnt enjoyable at all.... it felt as though the engine had died on some bends.
Horrible thing, put a damper on the holiday for me.
Ok, it was comfortable & refined...but I was glad to hand the keys back.
My partners brother gave her his old MK1 Focus... a much nicer driving experience.
( My old MK1 Mondeo & Laguna were better than that Golf too).
Edited by Milkyway on Tuesday 3rd September 12:15
KTMsm said:
EmailAddress said:
Half of those complaints are legislation.
Which is why it's best to drive old cars as it's not back dated I sold a mate's £40k Cayenne (I think he paid £70k) it was awful
If you opened the door to see what's behind you while reversing - it applied the brakes and refused to move
It was bonging front and rear as I turned in and drove up my tree / shrub lined drive
It drove horribly, it was massive outside and small inside...
I wouldn't have swapped it for my £1K Swift Sport
normalbloke said:
KTMsm said:
EmailAddress said:
Half of those complaints are legislation.
Which is why it's best to drive old cars as it's not back dated I sold a mate's £40k Cayenne (I think he paid £70k) it was awful
If you opened the door to see what's behind you while reversing - it applied the brakes and refused to move
It was bonging front and rear as I turned in and drove up my tree / shrub lined drive
It drove horribly, it was massive outside and small inside...
I wouldn't have swapped it for my £1K Swift Sport
I'm told Dacia have developed a button to disable annoying interference.
I had an Opel Grandland as a rental the other day. Yes it bonged at me for exceeding the speed limit which was annoying and involved going in to the menus to turn it off, but radar cruise and decent lane keeping assist made a 3 hour drive an absolute breeze. It needs better steering wheel sensors though as several times it warned me to keep my hands on the wheel when they were.
Not sure how many of these systems will still be working when they're 10 years old though.
Not sure how many of these systems will still be working when they're 10 years old though.
normalbloke said:
Who still opens a door whilst reversing? Apart from Brian Harvey, though maybe he’s not so keen on it now.
Me around my drive because none of my cars have sensors / screens - I don't trust the sensors in cars to pick up the myriad of crap my wife puts on the drive (plant pots, table and chairs etc) and the dogs might run behind the car which the sensors won't pick up as quickly as my eyesMost sensors beep continually when you have plenty of room... essentially why would you use a system that's inferior to your eyes ?
normalbloke said:
KTMsm said:
EmailAddress said:
Half of those complaints are legislation.
Which is why it's best to drive old cars as it's not back dated I sold a mate's £40k Cayenne (I think he paid £70k) it was awful
If you opened the door to see what's behind you while reversing - it applied the brakes and refused to move
It was bonging front and rear as I turned in and drove up my tree / shrub lined drive
It drove horribly, it was massive outside and small inside...
I wouldn't have swapped it for my £1K Swift Sport
RizzoTheRat said:
I had an Opel Grandland as a rental the other day. Yes it bonged at me for exceeding the speed limit which was annoying and involved going in to the menus to turn it off, but radar cruise and decent lane keeping assist made a 3 hour drive an absolute breeze. It needs better steering wheel sensors though as several times it warned me to keep my hands on the wheel when they were.
Not sure how many of these systems will still be working when they're 10 years old though.
My 2014 merc CLS has a comprehensive array of driver assistance packages.Not sure how many of these systems will still be working when they're 10 years old though.
Happily, touch wood, the only things which have expired (repeatedly) are the blind spot radars which seem to be made of cheese. I think that is more to do with the halfwit designer who decided the place to put them was uncovered and right in the wash of the rear wheels.
Glassman said:
I remember getting into a (rental) Golf Mk8 on a hot day. Wanted to get the AC going el rapido. It was all touch screen and swoosh this, swoosh that. Then the car kept talking to me about when to brake etc. I know you can turn these ADAS things off and get used to the functions but, no. Didn't like it.
You, and thousands of others. Why do makers do it, just why?normalbloke said:
KTMsm said:
EmailAddress said:
Half of those complaints are legislation.
Which is why it's best to drive old cars as it's not back dated I sold a mate's £40k Cayenne (I think he paid £70k) it was awful
If you opened the door to see what's behind you while reversing - it applied the brakes and refused to move
It was bonging front and rear as I turned in and drove up my tree / shrub lined drive
It drove horribly, it was massive outside and small inside...
I wouldn't have swapped it for my £1K Swift Sport
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We had a fairly new Passat on hire for a holiday a few weeks back.
The car itself was actually perfectly good, engine was extremely good on fuel and not lacking power but some of the driving aids (I'm sure some of which are legislation) totally detracted from the good points of the car.
Turning lane assist of every time you drive it, forgetting and having it try and push against you was annoying as hell. Dim witted enough to get it wrong on many roads that aren't either an A or motorway. Missing out speed limit changes so it's telling you one speed when it's wrong. The worst feature was if it thought you were going to hit something whilst parking. I'm looking out the back window, I see the tree but if it thinks you're going too quickly it does an emergency stop when you're 3 ft from the object. Causes panic as you think you've hit something. Oh and detecting 'hazards' which are actually hedges or bollards in the centre of the road.
Decent enough car ruined by interfering features.
Some features are undeniably good (ABS, traction control, parking sensors, blind spot indicators etc.) so I'm not averse to things but some are just annoying.
The car itself was actually perfectly good, engine was extremely good on fuel and not lacking power but some of the driving aids (I'm sure some of which are legislation) totally detracted from the good points of the car.
Turning lane assist of every time you drive it, forgetting and having it try and push against you was annoying as hell. Dim witted enough to get it wrong on many roads that aren't either an A or motorway. Missing out speed limit changes so it's telling you one speed when it's wrong. The worst feature was if it thought you were going to hit something whilst parking. I'm looking out the back window, I see the tree but if it thinks you're going too quickly it does an emergency stop when you're 3 ft from the object. Causes panic as you think you've hit something. Oh and detecting 'hazards' which are actually hedges or bollards in the centre of the road.
Decent enough car ruined by interfering features.
Some features are undeniably good (ABS, traction control, parking sensors, blind spot indicators etc.) so I'm not averse to things but some are just annoying.
KTMsm said:
Me around my drive because none of my cars have sensors / screens - I don't trust the sensors in cars to pick up the myriad of crap my wife puts on the drive (plant pots, table and chairs etc) and the dogs might run behind the car which the sensors won't pick up as quickly as my eyes
Most sensors beep continually when you have plenty of room... essentially why would you use a system that's inferior to your eyes ?
LOLMost sensors beep continually when you have plenty of room... essentially why would you use a system that's inferior to your eyes ?
Edited by s94wht on Tuesday 3rd September 17:56
normalbloke said:
KTMsm said:
EmailAddress said:
Half of those complaints are legislation.
Which is why it's best to drive old cars as it's not back dated I sold a mate's £40k Cayenne (I think he paid £70k) it was awful
If you opened the door to see what's behind you while reversing - it applied the brakes and refused to move
It was bonging front and rear as I turned in and drove up my tree / shrub lined drive
It drove horribly, it was massive outside and small inside...
I wouldn't have swapped it for my £1K Swift Sport
miniman said:
Due to a cretin driving into our e-Up! I have the deep joy of a Nissan Juke for a few days. Wow. What a horrible, horrible thing.
Things that can get in the sea:
Lane assist constantly buzzing
Speed limit warning constantly pinging
Nasty, scratchy plastics everywhere
Wind noise that makes you wonder if a window is open
Gutless, noisy engine
Hold assist that comes on if you stop for even a second
I too had a new Juke as a rental recently. The speed limit sign recognition was terrible. Missed half the signs so flashes away saying the limit is 30 when you are miles into a NSL zone. Clever enough to spot some dual carriageways but doesn't realise if you are in a single dual carriageway so flashes away thinking it is 60 limit. And of course you had to turn it off every time you got in the car.Things that can get in the sea:
Lane assist constantly buzzing
Speed limit warning constantly pinging
Nasty, scratchy plastics everywhere
Wind noise that makes you wonder if a window is open
Gutless, noisy engine
Hold assist that comes on if you stop for even a second
The settings menus was overly complex, I once found the tyre pressures page but couldn't easily find it again. Lots of similar displays to switch between.
I had the 1.0 petrol which seemed nicely matched to the long legged gearing so it was in the power band for normal driving 60-80 so was effortless to 'keep up with traffic' but no much else when you dropped a gear to overtake or getting up to speed from a standstill.
All in All, a bit meh. But not the sort of car you would have high expectations for, the Audi A4 I had earlier in the year was a much bigger let down - that had some self steering thing that kept butting in (or perhaps I just can't drive in a straight line).
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