RE: Volkswagen Passat | PH Origin Story
RE: Volkswagen Passat | PH Origin Story
Saturday 11th January 2025

Volkswagen Passat | PH Origin Story

VW's lineup may have transformed around it, but the humble Passat wagon remains - what's changed in 20 years?


Like so many legacy carmakers these days, caught between a storied combustion-powered past and some sort of electrified future, the 2025 VW UK lineup takes a lot of getting your head around. As well as the ID EVs (3, 4, 5, 7, Buzz), there are all manner of SUVs (did you know about the Tayron?) as well as Polos, Golfs and the like. Heck, you can even spend still £40k on a Touran. If not quite a VW for everyone, without an Up or any manual GTIs now, a lot of bases are covered.

Two decades ago, alongside the first VW mini MPV, there was undoubtedly an extensive range - think Phaeton, Touareg, Sharan, Fox - though things did seem somewhat easier to grasp. Just petrol or diesel will have helped, of course, as will greater distinction between models; the days of mistaking a Taigo for a T-Roc were some way off.

Before getting too wistful about the old days, however, there’s some solace to take from an unlikely source: the Passat. For more than 50 years it’s been the solid, stoic, sensible VW family car, occasionally blessed with a mad engine but typically as bold a choice as an M&S suit. And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that when there’s a job to do - so VW appears to have stuck to the script again; while the ID7 offers an electric equivalent in both fastback and wagon variants, the Passat is now estate only - maximum utility, minimum fuss. 

Buyers have the choice of two four-cylinder engines with or without 19.7kWh of battery assistance, as a Life, plusher Elegance or sportier R Line, and that’s about it. In an occasionally baffling new car world, a simplified range is always welcome. Sometimes simple is best, even if we’ll always yearn for the days of six-cylinder family cars.  And even as a range-topping R-Line with the most powerful engine, this is as exciting as the latest Passat gets to look at, again a welcome reprieve from so many OTT alternatives. As many buyers will probably plump for the £3,845 R-Line Signature pack with black styling as used to go for the VR6. 

Moreover, this PHEV is as performance-oriented as the Passat gets for now too (and will probably remain), an R Line with the Golf GTE powertrain: a 1.5-litre turbo four with battery help for 272hp in total. Or more than a Golf GTI’s 265hp, if we're keeping score. This is where the silver car comes in. You might recognise SB09 DYX as the humble steed of PH snapper Harry Rudd for the past 60,000 miles or so of running here, there and everywhere. It’s interesting here as another Passat wagon, of course, but also one with fast Golf power, getting the same EA113 200hp 2.0 TSI as found in the Mk5 GTI. So significant is the weight gain - hybridisation nudging the Passat over 1,850kg - that even performance is comparable, with 0-62s around seven seconds and 140mph top speeds. 

Well, once upon a time, of course. Harry will be the first to admit that his Passat wasn’t concours when he paid £3k for it, and is certainly some way from that after years of hauling ladders, tripods, flashes and everything else required by an automotive photographer. But this is surely the fate of 95 per cent of Passats, and we're not measuring apples with apples here anyway - this is a chance to celebrate a VW that’s faded into the background (almost by design, it can seem) and assess how much benefit the past couple of decades have brought to the buyers who stuck with it. Is the family estate actually any more useful than it used to be, or just more complicated?

Certainly the new car makes life seem incredibly easy, which must be Passat objective number one. While the near-700mpg claimed is absurd, something beyond 70mpg is possible with both power sources working alongside each other. Even with the battery drained, the little 1.5 will return more than 50mpg at a cruise, which is pretty remarkable given its burden. While diesel may have once been the fuel of choice for a big bus like this, it’s hard to argue with just how good new petrol motors are. System output of 295lb ft is less than a diesel would offer, yet sufficient to whisk the Passat between A-road roundabouts and out of service station slip roads. While not the most charismatic engine in the world, it’s a well-judged hybrid precisely because it goes unnoticed. VW’s recent advances in charging and range (with 76 miles claimed combined and 50kW possible) mean that plenty can be done without stirring the engine at all. Now dealing with a CCS charger while you grab a coffee might be worthwhile for some EV running later in the journey. 

It’s all very agreeable. And the easygoing nature, with ample performance always available yet never really encouraged, suiting the Passat down to the ground. It’s an exceptionally competent car, although supreme refinement is probably its most notable strength. It’s a shame that R-Line couldn’t bring more than cosmetic enhancements, to take better advantage of the hybrid’s potency, because it’s all too easy to have the front end flailing when asking too much of it. Probably as relevant to Passat buyers as Ferrari residuals, but it’d be nice to have something a bit extra when there’s an Elegance model for the cruisers. 

However, it doesn’t take long in Harry’s Passat to demonstrate that, in fact, a powerful Passat with no sporting pretence whatsoever is absolutely in keeping with the car's lineage. Even allowing for inevitable wear, and despite the shared components, it’s evidently some way from a Golf GTI estate. It’s a little more distant, a little less urgent, and flatter in its demeanour (if not its roll angles) than the famed hot hatch. So a 272hp R-Line that behaves like any other Passat is just how things ought to be. 

The old Passat is fabulous at being an old VW, though, and can still teach its descendant a thing or two. While being instantly recognisable as a VW today isn’t usually intended as praise, the opposite was true earlier in the 21st century. The old B6 interior is simple and therefore classy; from the blue backlit dials to the HVAC controls that are a model of clarity. Blank switches date it, sure, and an aftermarket head unit has improved usability, but as a piece of design it still impresses. And while a useful improvement on earlier MQB cars with the giant screen, the B9’s isn’t exactly an interior to look forward to. Some of the plastics should be better, the screen’s location looks clumsy, the fonts seem cheap, and how many tech-based gimmicks do we really need? VW is hardly alone in the latter, but still. It’s worthy enough in isolation, though £50,000-plus - BMW 330e Touring kind of money - really should buy you something better. 

As a holdall, the latest Passat carries on the tradition of not pandering to new tastes or fashions - notably the Arteon Shooting Brake has now been dropped - and instead offers loads of space in a traditional wagon format. A Passat estate is now more than 4.9m long, where the old car is almost 150mm shorter, so even with a significant penalty for choosing the hybrid system there’s basically the same boot space (510 litres) as the old car (513 litres). For those who must have the most space, a purely combustion, 2.0 TSI Passat can carry a whopping 690 litres with the rear seats up. It’s basically a commercial vehicle.  

Strictly speaking, that would have been the car to have along, within five horsepower of the old one and saving almost 200kg and £4,000 over the hybrid. But that powertrain would probably only have cemented the feeling left by the hybrid; that actually despite all the advances made by every car since the '00s, the Passat has largely carried on just being a Passat. It won’t thrill at every turn or compel you to take the long way home, but as Harry’s old wagon has proved (with not too much expenditure), they’re damn good at ferrying a whole lot of things a very long way. It’s to VW’s credit that it continues to recognise the trend. A hybrid offers version offers reduced running costs (dependent on use case, of course), with the standard TSI presumably boasting the same relatively simple appeal as the Ruddmobile all these years later. With 150 litres more boot space than an E-Class wagon. Once VW gets its act together again on interiors, the Passat Estate ought to be roughly as recommendable as it has been for donkey's years. Probably just in time for Harry to line up a replacement, in fact. 


SPECIFICATION | VW PASSAT R-LINE 1.5 TSI E-HYBRID

Engine: 1,498cc, four-cyl turbo plus 19.7kWh (usable) battery and electric motor
Transmission: 6-speed dual-clutch auto, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 272
Torque (lb ft): 295
0-62mph: 7.1 seconds
Top speed: 140mph
Weight: 1,858kg (unladen)
MPG: 694.6 (WLTP combined)
CO2: 9g/km
Price: £51,200 (price as standard)

SPECIFICATION | VW PASSAT 2.0 TSI SPORT

Engine: 1,984cc, four-cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 200@5,100rpm
Torque (lb ft): 206@1,800-5,000rpm
0-62mph: 7.7 seconds
Top speed: 146mph
Weight: 1,459kg
MPG: 34 (NEDC)
CO2: 198g/km (NEDC)
Price: £22,228 (2009)

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wistec1

Original Poster:

794 posts

70 months

Saturday 11th January 2025
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Neither of these are appealing. Give me the last of the line TDI and then your talking.

fourstardan

6,524 posts

173 months

Saturday 11th January 2025
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I like the lump but not the rear humps.

Screen is majorly overpowering on the dash.

If these eventually go used at a decent price I'll be tempted though, thats if my TDI warrants replacement.

Box Fresh

18,084 posts

229 months

Saturday 11th January 2025
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I had a B5.5 manual estate with the 1.9tdi 130 motor back in the day. Was a good car.

G111MDS

384 posts

120 months

Saturday 11th January 2025
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We had a 97 Passat (B5?) 110 TDi in SE spec. One of the best and most comfortable cars we’ve owned.

carinaman

25,167 posts

201 months

Saturday 11th January 2025
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The B6 is transverse isn't it? Plastic cover tries to look longitudinal.


paradigital

1,100 posts

181 months

Saturday 11th January 2025
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We’ve had a B8 GTE Advance since 2021, it’s been a fantastic family wagon for the school runs and general bumbling around the local area, 95% of the time on electric only. It’s also been surprisingly frugal on annual trips from Cheshire to Devon, regularly returning circa 60MPG for the trip down/back.

It’s due a replacement and currently it’s a three-way toss-up between a new GTE, a Superb PHEV or an ID.7.

Yes the Passat is bland, but sometimes you just need a bit of bland, dependable though, and surprisingly brisk when you want it to be.

LuS1fer

43,503 posts

274 months

Saturday 11th January 2025
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I think the last VW I looked at with half- hearted intent was a Mk 6 Golf GTI and I did test drive a Superb Sportline 280.

I honestly couldn't tell you anything about any model VW currently produce. I am sure they are worthy enough but look very dull.

Edited by LuS1fer on Saturday 11th January 11:05

Quattr04.

1,244 posts

20 months

Saturday 11th January 2025
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I had a b8.5 R LINE as a company car for a year, quite possibly the best car I’ve ever had at being a car.

It did everything perfectly, looked good but didn’t have a harsh ride, 2.0tdi and 7 speed DSG just worked so well together, still had a smaller screen than the new model and physical controls.

Quiet and refined inside

Great ACC system with stop and go, massive boot and excellent seats, regularly did 4 hour drives in it and no aches or pains at the other end

Couldn’t fault it in anyway and think it was a very good looking car, that generation of VW where they where square at the front where really good, the new one looks much more generic and Chinese.

I think of it as a M&S jumper, not flash, but excellent quality, not to pricey and just good at what it does.


Edited by Quattr04. on Saturday 11th January 11:21

miniman

30,029 posts

291 months

Saturday 11th January 2025
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Seems strange to look back at the Passat without going back to the beginning. My grandfather had several B1 and B2s including a super smooth 5 cylinder.






V12GT

662 posts

119 months

Saturday 11th January 2025
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miniman said:
Seems strange to look back at the Passat without going back to the beginning. My grandfather had several B1 and B2s including a super smooth 5 cylinder.





I think it was probably a case of what they could get their hands on.

Your dad’s B1 there looks smaller than the current Polo!

Box Fresh

18,084 posts

229 months

Saturday 11th January 2025
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I think it’s a case of what’s available in the classifieds…

Kawasaki2000

257 posts

20 months

Saturday 11th January 2025
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I didn't bother test driving my Formentor because I knew how it would drive. Like a golf. How did I know what a Golf drove like ? I ran a 2016 Passat estate. And I've been in enough Superbs and Octavias.

As someone above said, the last model estate was perfect, apart from being a diesel ( owning a series of petrols again I look back a the tdis and wonder what was thinking).
I'd run one again if I had a family at the age I needed that type of car. Sure the A4 has a nicer interior but it's an expensive way to drive an average car.

valiant

14,154 posts

189 months

Saturday 11th January 2025
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V12GT said:
I think it was probably a case of what they could get their hands on.

Your dad’s B1 there looks smaller than the current Polo!
They’ve certainly grown.

The new Passat is almost 5m long!

Julian Scott

4,308 posts

53 months

Saturday 11th January 2025
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My dad had a couple of Passats over the years (90/00s). Always thought they were a greatly underrated car, a peg up from the standard Mondeo//Vectra but never seemed to get the uptake they deserved in that market. Both of his were German quality at pretty much Ford/Vauxhall prices.

He then bumped up to BMW and the quality went up again, but so did the price disproportionately.

GeniusOfLove

5,763 posts

41 months

Saturday 11th January 2025
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I used to have to drive Passats quite regularly and I always hated how dynamically inert they felt even if, at the time, the perceived quality was higher than the Insignia and Mondeo. They all telegraphed to you, very clearly, that carrying on in the current direction of travel without deviation is what they wanted to do and if you asked them to do anything else they'd do it with all the verve and enthusiasm of a recalcitrant teenager asked to stop playing Orcs and Wizards on their computer and go and visit an elderly relative. They were fine though, did the job, good on fuel, like a van for putting people in really. The diesel engines were about as good as 4 pot diesel engines got too, marginally better than the Ford and Vauxhall units.

I drove a current PHEV model the other month however and thought it was an objectively bad car. The integration between ICE and electric was incredibly incompetent, I asked the chap I borrowed it from if it was broken but apparently no the whole fleet are that bad. Someone at VAG needs to borrow a 20 year old Prius to find out how it's done. Ride was crap, it was still a pudding, the ergonomics were so bad you had to wonder if anyone at VW has actually used a car, and it felt like not a single penny beyond the barest minimum had been spent on the entire car it was so obviously cheap and nasty. The VAG marketing budget must be really stretched encouraging journalists to turn a blind eye to how bad it is.

Edited by GeniusOfLove on Saturday 11th January 14:07

anonymous-user

83 months

Saturday 11th January 2025
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miniman said:
Seems strange to look back at the Passat without going back to the beginning. My grandfather had several B1 and B2s including a super smooth 5 cylinder.





Remember the Santana? I also liked the Audi 100/200 of the late seventies/eighties.

fourstardan

6,524 posts

173 months

Saturday 11th January 2025
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I'm in a b8 TDI rline at the moment and after 5 years it is still driving ok with only small bits going.

I get in skoda superbs and they feel slightly better cockpit wise so may look at a skoda next time.

Interesting to hear about the poor PHEV experience.

Stick Legs

8,924 posts

194 months

Saturday 11th January 2025
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GeniusOfLove said:
I used to have to drive Passats quite regularly and I always hated how dynamically inert they felt even if, at the time, the perceived quality was higher than the Insignia and Mondeo. They all telegraphed to you, very clearly, that carrying on in the current direction of travel without deviation is what they wanted to do and if you asked them to do anything else they'd do it with all the verve and enthusiasm of a recalcitrant teenager asked to stop playing Orcs and Wizards on their computer and go and visit an elderly relative. They were fine though, did the job, good on fuel, like a van for putting people in really. The diesel engines were about as good as 4 pot diesel engines got too, marginally better than the Ford and Vauxhall units.

I drove a current PHEV model the other month however and thought it was an objectively bad car. The integration between ICE and electric was incredibly incompetent, I asked the chap I borrowed it from if it was broken but apparently no the whole fleet are that bad. Someone at VAG needs to borrow a 20 year old Prius to find out how it's done. Ride was crap, it was still a pudding, the ergonomics were so bad you had to wonder if anyone at VW has actually used a car, and it felt like not a single penny beyond the barest minimum had been spent on the entire car it was so obviously cheap and nasty. The VAG marketing budget must be really stretched encouraging journalists to turn a blind eye to how bad it is.

Edited by GeniusOfLove on Saturday 11th January 14:07
This is exactly my feelings on VW post 2000. My mother in law had a Passat of the same generation as the older one (were they ALL silver?).
We recently went car shopping for my wife's new car and I was appalled at the current range of VW offerings. Only the Polo feels like a 'proper' VW as I would have thought of them based on their brand image.

"A van for putting people in"

I'm stealing that line. biglaugh

myhandle

1,297 posts

203 months

Saturday 11th January 2025
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I’m not sure it’s “humble”, it’s a really well engineered car, designed to do a million km as a business vehicle, and less so in the UK but certainty the case in Switzerland and Southern Europe, frequently bought by people who could afford something far more expensive but buy this for its quality and anonymity.

miniman

30,029 posts

291 months

Saturday 11th January 2025
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biggbn said:
Remember the Santana? I also liked the Audi 100/200 of the late seventies/eighties.
I’m sure someone well known on here had a Santana scratchchin