RE: BMW M sells 200,000 cars for the first time
RE: BMW M sells 200,000 cars for the first time
Tuesday 14th January 2025

BMW M sells 200,000 cars for the first time

Another record for M GmbH as sales increase across all models. Also, Porsche sold more 718s than it did Taycans


BMW M GmbH sold 206,582 vehicles in 2024, the first time the division has sold more than 200,000 cars and the 13th consecutive year of growth. It was 2.1 per cent more than 2023, almost as much as Mini’s total sales (244,915), and a useful 9.4 per cent of BMW Group’s total figure of 2,450,804 (which was down four per cent on ‘23). So if you’re ever questioning why another hybrid has another M variant, it’s because they just keep on selling. 

As for last year and 2022, the i4 M50 was the biggest-selling M car globally. BMW’s overall EV sales were up overall, in fact; 11.6 per cent more than 2023 at 368,523. Perhaps more interesting, however, was the response to those M cars with engines updated in recent months. M3 Touring sales were up 57 per cent with its new look, and the 480hp M2 was up by 64 per cent - the biggest increase of the year. Both encouraging, if perhaps helped by a lull as production switched over. Even the XM found more buyers over the last 12 months, though a 16 per cent uplift of surely not many still won’t be very much. BMW says that its ‘high-performance M models’ accounted for 66,805 units, or plus eight per cent on ‘23, without specifying exactly what a high-performance model is. We’ll assume it’s the ‘proper’ M cars, above M Performance 35is, 40is and the like. 

The appetite for engines extends to other makers as well, with Porsche delivering 50,941 911s in 2024 - two per cent more than the year before, and a record for the flat-six sports car. The old ICE Macan soldiers on outside the EU as well, selling 64,517 cars to make total Macan numbers alongside the EV 82,795. The 718 range notched up an impressive 23,670 units as well, which was up 15 per cent, despite a good few years on sale now. Which may or may not have something to do with the electric replacement looming.

Speaking of which, incredibly (or some might argue, predictably) the 718 figure is more than the Taycan, which slumped to 20,836 examples - or 49 per cent less than in 2023. Porsche attributes it to the mid-life update and the fact that ‘the ramp-up of electric mobility is generally proceeding more slowly than planned’. The Panamera was down 13 per cent to 29,587, mostly explained by reduced demand in China. Which was down 28 per cent overall, a trend reflected elsewhere and attributed to the 'challenging economic situation in this region'. 

So it’s hard to know what to predict for sales 2025, apart from plenty more i4 M50s and Porsche Macans it seems. BMW says that its M cars will benefit from ‘special models’ and ‘innovations’ for purely combustion models, PHEVs and electric cars. The electric M3 isn’t far away, either. As for Porsche, board member for Sales and Marketing Detlev von Platen said: “With the youngest product range in the company's history, our offering is highly attractive to our customers. At the same time, of course, we do expect that the economic and geopolitical conditions will challenge us more than ever in 2025. Nevertheless, our goal is to further strengthen our brand globally and to exploit market potential. We will do this in line with demand in the individual regions in order to remain true to our principle of value-based sales in the future.”

There are 1,200 BMWs and Porsche on PH from 2024, which feels like quite a lot (to the uninitiated) of basically new cars mostly at main dealers. Still, plenty of choice for those in the market. There’s an actual Taycan Turbo GT in Scotland, complete with Dairy Milk paint, and a stunning Ruby Star Spyder RS in Wales. Green and gold seems to suit the new Macan well, and this Carrera T 911 really harks back to the old days. On the BMW front, this XM comes with a towbar for those who really want to cause a stir at the caravan club, and an M3 CS with more than £20k off looks great. Finally, if now’s the time to see what the i4 M50 fuss is all about, this one sneaks in under £50,000. 


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ex-devonpaul

Original Poster:

1,734 posts

166 months

Monday 13th January 2025
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Porsche sold more Boxsters, Caymans, and Spiders added together than they did Toucans?

Why is that a surprise.

Julian Scott

4,308 posts

53 months

Monday 13th January 2025
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Those bemoaning BMW losing the plot about their 'M' strategy suddenly realise they're wrong.....?

blueovercream

354 posts

120 months

Monday 13th January 2025
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Julian Scott said:
Those bemoaning BMW losing the plot about their 'M' strategy suddenly realise they're wrong.....?
I think if the M strategy is to produce ever more cars bearing the badge, dilute the "ethos" of M and in doing so take the shine off what used to be a hallowed letter within BMW, then it has indeed worked.

If it's apparently what the customers want though then who are we to judge.

Edited by blueovercream on Monday 13th January 17:13

fflump

3,490 posts

67 months

Monday 13th January 2025
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Julian Scott said:
Those bemoaning BMW losing the plot about their 'M' strategy suddenly realise they're wrong.....?
Basically the M division is selling more because of rebadging the second fastest model in each range as an M-Lite

plfrench

4,861 posts

297 months

Monday 13th January 2025
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Surely that's cheating including the i4 M50 in the numbers! I'm sure BMW themselves have said true electric M cars will have a motor per wheel to enable more dynamic options to differentiate (as well as the handy bonus of a significant step up in performance).

sidesauce

2,967 posts

247 months

Monday 13th January 2025
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fflump said:
Julian Scott said:
Those bemoaning BMW losing the plot about their 'M' strategy suddenly realise they're wrong.....?
Basically the M division is selling more because of rebadging the second fastest model in each range as an M-Lite
And clearly the customer demand is positively responding to that. Good for them, BMW clearly know their market more than you ever will.

fflump

3,490 posts

67 months

Monday 13th January 2025
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ex-devonpaul said:
Porsche sold more Boxsters, Caymans, and Spiders added together than they did Toucans?

Why is that a surprise.
It wasn't always the case. Tacan sales have nose-dived of late. Down by half on the year before is disastrous.

GreatScott2016

2,507 posts

117 months

Monday 13th January 2025
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blueovercream said:
Julian Scott said:
Those bemoaning BMW losing the plot about their 'M' strategy suddenly realise they're wrong.....?
I think if the M strategy is to produce ever more cars bearing the badge, dilute the "ethos" of M and in doing so take the shine off what used to be a hallowed letter within BMW, then it has indeed worked.

If it's apparently what the customers want though then who are we to judge.

Edited by blueovercream on Monday 13th January 17:13
So true and well worded.

simundo777

217 posts

200 months

Monday 13th January 2025
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blueovercream said:
Julian Scott said:
Those bemoaning BMW losing the plot about their 'M' strategy suddenly realise they're wrong.....?
I think if the M strategy is to produce ever more cars bearing the badge, dilute the "ethos" of M and in doing so take the shine off what used to be a hallowed letter within BMW, then it has indeed worked.

If it's apparently what the customers want though then who are we to judge.

Edited by blueovercream on Monday 13th January 17:13
Nail on head! There are so many M models now it's hard to keep up.

Baddie

803 posts

246 months

Monday 13th January 2025
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It used to be the 'high performance' M-cars were the only M-cars.

Fady

457 posts

233 months

Monday 13th January 2025
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sidesauce said:
fflump said:
Julian Scott said:
Those bemoaning BMW losing the plot about their 'M' strategy suddenly realise they're wrong.....?
Basically the M division is selling more because of rebadging the second fastest model in each range as an M-Lite
And clearly the customer demand is positively responding to that. Good for them, BMW clearly know their market more than you ever will.
Probably selling the same amount of cars, just more with an 'M' on the back!

fflump

3,490 posts

67 months

Monday 13th January 2025
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sidesauce said:
fflump said:
Julian Scott said:
Those bemoaning BMW losing the plot about their 'M' strategy suddenly realise they're wrong.....?
Basically the M division is selling more because of rebadging the second fastest model in each range as an M-Lite
And clearly the customer demand is positively responding to that. Good for them, BMW clearly know their market more than you ever will.
Odd comment. I'm not criticising them I was just noting that comparison with historical sales by the M division are difficult due to their models reaching further down the range rather than being the single halo model.

Julian Scott

4,308 posts

53 months

Monday 13th January 2025
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blueovercream said:
Julian Scott said:
Those bemoaning BMW losing the plot about their 'M' strategy suddenly realise they're wrong.....?
I think if the M strategy is to produce ever more cars bearing the badge, dilute the "ethos" of M and in doing so take the shine off what used to be a hallowed letter within BMW, then it has indeed worked.

If it's apparently what the customers want though then who are we to judge.

Edited by blueovercream on Monday 13th January 17:13
Only in the same way as Ferrari/Lamborghini/Aston Martin/etc have diluted their "ethos" by broadening the model range?

But I suspect the strategy is business success!


Ultimately, the true 'M' models are pretty much true to history, BMW have just mirrored the market by offering a sub-prime product, a mild tweak on the previous top standard model to mirror Audi and Mercedes? Given the number of M135/M240/M340/M440/etc (to say nothing of the top model the i4 M50), it's been a success.

Stick Legs

8,924 posts

194 months

Monday 13th January 2025
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It amazes me that they have released figures for this. Part of the appeal of these things is exclusivity, which is why Ferrari are pretty muted about numbers.

T1berious

2,669 posts

184 months

Monday 13th January 2025
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Fady said:
Probably selling the same amount of cars, just more with an 'M' on the back!
^This^

It's coming across to me that it's lies, lies and damn statistics.

If absolutely everything with an "M" badge counts as an M brand sale it includes not just the M lites but also the M Sport trim models.

It would be way more interesting to see the actual sales figures for "M" cars (M4, M3, M2, M5 etc), word round the camp fire via the sales execs wasn't great compared to the F80 M3's.

"When everyone's super, no one is"

To quote Syndrome.

This is beginning to feel like where the M brand is going.



Julian Scott

4,308 posts

53 months

Monday 13th January 2025
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Stick Legs said:
Part of the appeal of these things is exclusivity, which is why Ferrari are pretty muted about numbers.
....are they?

https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/corporate/articles/f...

Julian Scott

4,308 posts

53 months

Monday 13th January 2025
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T1berious said:
^This^

It's coming across to me that it's lies, lies and damn statistics.

If absolutely everything with an "M" badge counts as an M brand sale it includes not just the M lites but also the M Sport trim models.

It would be way more interesting to see the actual sales figures for "M" cars (M4, M3, M2, M5 etc), word round the camp fire via the sales execs wasn't great compared to the F80 M3's.

"When everyone's super, no one is"

To quote Syndrome.

This is beginning to feel like where the M brand is going.
It's only the M models, not the M-Sport trim. (i.e., M340 included, 320i M Sport not included wink )

Julian Scott

4,308 posts

53 months

Monday 13th January 2025
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Fady said:
sidesauce said:
fflump said:
Julian Scott said:
Those bemoaning BMW losing the plot about their 'M' strategy suddenly realise they're wrong.....?
Basically the M division is selling more because of rebadging the second fastest model in each range as an M-Lite
And clearly the customer demand is positively responding to that. Good for them, BMW clearly know their market more than you ever will.
Probably selling the same amount of cars, just more with an 'M' on the back!
Article does say that the full M models are up 8% YoY, and make up around a third of total 'M' sales.

Slowlygettingit

940 posts

70 months

Monday 13th January 2025
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The letter M has to some extent become totally meaningless - as when my neighbour tried telling me their 318Msport was the same as MrsSGI M4.
Also many of the recent proper M cars have had to have M CS levels to be ‘proper’ M cars.

I was a bmw fanboy for years but no longer give a monkeys about the new stuff.
I recently serviced MrsSGI’s M4 comp and the sales manager made me a good offer to trade it in. But there was nothing new in the show room that even vaguely excites me.
Still spent a good hour yesterday searching pre 2000 bmw on here and AT though to see what was about. Trying (not very hard) to get MrsSGI into a E39 M5…..

Tindersticks

2,698 posts

29 months

Monday 13th January 2025
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All car makers have the same strategy. To sell cars. You might not like how they go about it, they don’t care.