RE: Rolls-Royce marks Phantom centenary
RE: Rolls-Royce marks Phantom centenary
Tuesday 14th January 2025

Rolls-Royce marks Phantom centenary

'Never compromised by existing engineering orthodoxy, fleeting trends or development costs' - sounds just like PH...


The year 2025 marks 100 years since Rolls-Royce first used the ‘Phantom’ name on one of its cars. And while the nameplate has become most famous during the 21st century, there’s a long and illustrious history of Phantoms before the modern reincarnations. As its maker only too proudly puts it, ‘Phantom has always been the grandest, most impressive and, above all, most effortless motor car being built in series production by the marque at any given moment.’ Probably won’t find many opposing that view. 

The early history of the Phantom is fascinating. See back in 1925, Rolls-Royce only sold chassis, which you then took to your preferred coachbuilder for bodywork and personalisation; back then such commissions included fitting a safe in one, and a secret compartment to carry diamonds in another. Rolls-Royce suggests that the ‘generous proportions’ of the Phantom back then - offered in long or short wheelbase form, even - ‘enabled owners to specify almost any detail or indulgence the wish.’ Some things never change…

An updated Phantom II arrived in 1929; the Phantom III that came seven years later was notable for the introduction of a V12, the configuration that still sees service today. By the early 30s, Rolls-Royce’s powertrain supremacy was under threat from the Americans, with their multi-cylinder efforts - up to 16 in the case of Cadillac - so the straight six had to go. The V12 was both more compact and more powerful than the six, offering 165hp (180hp later on) instead of 120hp previously. Independent front suspension was introduced also, assisting ‘remarkable road holding qualities and stability on corners even at higher speeds’ according to the contemporary ad, while whoever was behind the wheel benefitted from lighter steering and relocated controls. 

The war and its aftermath put paid to the Phantom for a few years, before a Royal commission in 1950 saw a run of 18 Phantom IVs produced for various global dignitaries. The Phantom was back in business proper from the 1959 introduction of the Phantom V, complete with in-house coachwork; it was overhauled after 13 years of production and 832 sales to become the Phantom VI. The last body-on-chassis Rolls-Royce made, it boasted two-zone air conditioning, and was made all the way up to 1990 - the last was delivered to the Sultan of Brunei (who else?) in 1993.

A decade on from then, with Rolls Royce relocated to Goodwood, the Phantom story continued: the first VII, a car that’s come to define 21st century Rolls-Royce, was delivered at 00:01 on January 1st, 2003. It was made for 14 years, and spawned models like the two-door Coupe and stunning Drophead. Higher mileage saloons are currently available from £75,000, though you’ll do well to get into a two-door version even with twice that. 

It was 2017 that Rolls-Royce debuted the Phantom VIII, complete with 570hp from the twin-turbo 6.75 V12, a new aluminium architecture and the Gallery - ‘an uninterrupted swathe of glass that runs the full width of the fascia, behind which the client can display a commissioned work of art or design’. The car was as spectacular as hoped for: ‘Not even those with the most exacting standards could argue that this wasn’t an outstanding car’, was the PH verdict. ‘The Rolls-Royce Phantom, once again, utterly defines luxury.’ With Rolls-Royce Bespoke a stronger focus than ever, we’ve seen all manner of unique VIIIs since 2017, including the Goldfinger most recently. Those keen on an ‘ordinary’ Phantom of this era will still require more than £200,000

Chris Brownridge, Rolls-Royce Chief Executive, said of the Phantom’s big birthday: “Through eight generations, Phantom’s fundamental role as the pinnacle Rolls-Royce motor car has always been the same: to be the most magnificent, desirable and above all, effortless motor car in the world – the very best of the best. In many respects, the history of Phantom is the history of Rolls-Royce: always moving with the times and its clients’ needs and requirements, transcending fleeting trends and providing the setting for the most remarkable executions of craft and artistry, all while resolutely refusing to compromise its core engineering and design principles. We’re proud to continue this tradition of excellence, elegance and serenity into the next 100 years.” Couldn’t have put it better ourselves. Wonder how many years into the next century the V12 can last…


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sidesauce

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2,967 posts

247 months

Tuesday 14th January 2025
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It's funny how many on here will associate the old one with class and the new one as overly 'chavvy' even though the old one is far more ostentatious than the new one...

Still, congratulations to R-R for making it a century!

Every day a journey

3,132 posts

67 months

Tuesday 14th January 2025
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Got to be one of the most famous Phantoms.

IIRC back in my 1986 Guinness Book of Extraordinary Records at the time this car was the most expensive used car ever sold (I could be wrong as it’s nearly 40 years ago!)


J4CKO

46,824 posts

229 months

Tuesday 14th January 2025
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sidesauce said:
It's funny how many on here will associate the old one with class and the new one as overly 'chavvy' even though the old one is far more ostentatious than the new one...

Still, congratulations to R-R for making it a century!
Indeed, it is business as usual for the makers of massive gin palaces like these, and as you say, if anything they are more subtle, but still as subtle as wearing a glam rock stage costume in an Amish town

I think its some notion of the wonderful folk that used to own them much better than the oiks that buy them now or something, chaps who talked in Guineas, cut glass accents, brogues, shooting parties what what and all that bks. Sometimes its like that old Monty Python sketch "I look down on him" etc.

I like the Phantom, but even if I could, I just dont posses the gall to drive the bloody thing, imagine wafting through an impoverished area in one ?

Every day a journey

3,132 posts

67 months

Tuesday 14th January 2025
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J4CKO said:
I like the Phantom, but even if I could, I just dont posses the gall to drive the bloody thing, imagine wafting through an impoverished area in one ?

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,739 posts

127 months

Tuesday 14th January 2025
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Never really liked the BMW versions - there is just something too blunt about them, as if the styling was based on Kryten from Red Dwarf....

Robertb

3,838 posts

267 months

Tuesday 14th January 2025
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AXA 60 looks lovely! Just the car for a cad or a bounder...
https://www.classicandsportscar.com/features/meet-...

J4CKO

46,824 posts

229 months

Tuesday 14th January 2025
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Every day a journey said:
J4CKO said:
I like the Phantom, but even if I could, I just dont posses the gall to drive the bloody thing, imagine wafting through an impoverished area in one ?
Yep, would feel a right one of those !

Lester H

4,366 posts

134 months

Tuesday 14th January 2025
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sidesauce said:
It's funny how many on here will associate the old one with class and the new one as overly 'chavvy' even though the old one is far more ostentatious than the new one...

Still, congratulations to R-R for making it a century!
It’s the line, though, isn’t it? The line.
Arguably , the earlier, the more elegant.


Julian Scott

4,308 posts

53 months

Tuesday 14th January 2025
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J4CKO said:
sidesauce said:
It's funny how many on here will associate the old one with class and the new one as overly 'chavvy' even though the old one is far more ostentatious than the new one...

Still, congratulations to R-R for making it a century!
Indeed, it is business as usual for the makers of massive gin palaces like these, and as you say, if anything they are more subtle, but still as subtle as wearing a glam rock stage costume in an Amish town

I think its some notion of the wonderful folk that used to own them much better than the oiks that buy them now or something, chaps who talked in Guineas, cut glass accents, brogues, shooting parties what what and all that bks. Sometimes its like that old Monty Python sketch "I look down on him" etc.
I've posted this before, Rolls Royces have always attracted the 'unique' customer:

Julian Scott said:
I knew a guy that owned a/the Rolls Royce dealership in the East End of London during the 60s & 70s, Spanish chap called Joe Franco (Spanish Joe as he was known).

Joe lived next to a friend in a remote part of Catalonia during the late 2000s/early 2010s, a beautiful medieval walled town called Peratallada just outside Girona. We'd spend many nights regaling stories of his time selling Rolls Royces, an East End customer base meant he had some 'characters'. The Kray Twins, Elton John, Billy Smart, Lionel Bart, etc. All of which would order special cars, and often not a classic/traditional RR taste.

His comments about the cars Elton ordered would not be printable nowadays, but 'lurid' would be one way to describes them. Ditto Billy Smart who would order real animal skins covering every surface inside.

He said he would also always make sure he had £5k cash on him at a time when a Rolls Royce cost £8-10k before options/bespoke tweaks so that if any RR owner needed to offload a car quickly, he could do the deal there and then for cash, often one of the 'lurid' specials that one of his more exotic customers had paid a fortune for, which he claimed he had to spend a fortune in putting it back to normal, but then usually shipped out to the West Coast of America at a huge premium due to it's celebrity former-owner.

Julian Scott

4,308 posts

53 months

Tuesday 14th January 2025
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J4CKO said:
I like the Phantom, but even if I could, I just dont posses the gall to drive the bloody thing, imagine wafting through an impoverished area in one ?
and the size.

There is a new Phantom that drops off in our school drop-off turning circle every morning, piloted by a tiny Asian lady, I'm guessing in her mid-60s (but is probably younger as the girl is in the Prep-school, unless grandma does the school run everyday).

Anyway, it's huge. The school turning circle is fairly tight, and congested. My car is on near full steering lock at the top end of it, but this lady just wafts in with all the assurance of a coach driver, drops off and whips it round before wafting out. There are not many cars I would frown at the prospect of driving somewhere tight, but a brand new Phantom with what must be a near £1/2m price tag is one of them.

sidesauce

Original Poster:

2,967 posts

247 months

Tuesday 14th January 2025
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Lester H said:
sidesauce said:
It's funny how many on here will associate the old one with class and the new one as overly 'chavvy' even though the old one is far more ostentatious than the new one...

Still, congratulations to R-R for making it a century!
It’s the line, though, isn’t it? The line.
Arguably , the earlier, the more elegant.
to be
The earlier, the more Chitty Chitty Bang Bang to my eye. I don't find the original an attractive car, at all. The simple cleanliness of the modern cars are far more elegant.

Skeptisk

8,897 posts

138 months

Tuesday 14th January 2025
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sidesauce said:
It's funny how many on here will associate the old one with class and the new one as overly 'chavvy' even though the old one is far more ostentatious than the new one...

Still, congratulations to R-R for making it a century!
RR has not made it to a century. RR is just a brand of BMW. RR didn’t “relocate” to Goodwood. BMW bought the rights to use the RR name and set up a new factory in Goodwood.

It isn’t really apparent from this article though. BMW PR and marketing teams will be happy.

SpadeBrigade

856 posts

168 months

Tuesday 14th January 2025
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Skeptisk said:
sidesauce said:
It's funny how many on here will associate the old one with class and the new one as overly 'chavvy' even though the old one is far more ostentatious than the new one...

Still, congratulations to R-R for making it a century!
RR has not made it to a century. RR is just a brand of BMW. RR didn’t “relocate” to Goodwood. BMW bought the rights to use the RR name and set up a new factory in Goodwood.

It isn’t really apparent from this article though. BMW PR and marketing teams will be happy.
And they’ve arguably made the most competent and technically advanced cars the ‘brand’ has ever made. If BMW hadn’t purchased the SoE/Grille/rights then the brand would have likely died along with so many other greats through British history. BMW saved the brand and then some.

Phantom is an amazing car. Can’t wait to see where they take it with the next iteration.

Rumdoodle

2,077 posts

49 months

Tuesday 14th January 2025
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I remember Phantom VIs being advertised for quarter of a million during the late '80s bubble (BoE inflation adjuster makes that £680k today). ACA auctioned one for £36k last summer.

mrclav

1,645 posts

252 months

Tuesday 14th January 2025
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Skeptisk said:
sidesauce said:
It's funny how many on here will associate the old one with class and the new one as overly 'chavvy' even though the old one is far more ostentatious than the new one...

Still, congratulations to R-R for making it a century!
RR has not made it to a century. RR is just a brand of BMW. RR didn’t “relocate” to Goodwood. BMW bought the rights to use the RR name and set up a new factory in Goodwood.

It isn’t really apparent from this article though. BMW PR and marketing teams will be happy.
It has been continually produced irrespective of who owned the brand name for 100 years. If not, please tell us otherwise - I'll wait.

Bladedancer

1,458 posts

225 months

Tuesday 14th January 2025
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I'm sorry this is just ghastly

Skeptisk

8,897 posts

138 months

Tuesday 14th January 2025
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mrclav said:
Skeptisk said:
sidesauce said:
It's funny how many on here will associate the old one with class and the new one as overly 'chavvy' even though the old one is far more ostentatious than the new one...

Still, congratulations to R-R for making it a century!
RR has not made it to a century. RR is just a brand of BMW. RR didn’t “relocate” to Goodwood. BMW bought the rights to use the RR name and set up a new factory in Goodwood.

It isn’t really apparent from this article though. BMW PR and marketing teams will be happy.
It has been continually produced irrespective of who owned the brand name for 100 years. If not, please tell us otherwise - I'll wait.
Wasn’t there a two or three year lag between the run down of the old RR and the sale of the new BMW cars?

Skeptisk

8,897 posts

138 months

Tuesday 14th January 2025
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SpadeBrigade said:
And they’ve arguably made the most competent and technically advanced cars the ‘brand’ has ever made. If BMW hadn’t purchased the SoE/Grille/rights then the brand would have likely died along with so many other greats through British history. BMW saved the brand and then some.

Phantom is an amazing car. Can’t wait to see where they take it with the next iteration.
Not surprising because BMW make great cars and are great engineers. Just a bit puzzling that by sticking a vertical grill and a purchased SoE on the front they can charge 40%-80% more than if they produced exactly the same car but called it a Nine series.

smilo996

3,822 posts

199 months

Tuesday 14th January 2025
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Looking at a modern RR, they look more practical and less ostentatious than the current gen of monster SUV's like the Urus and Bentagya. Quite a feat.
Still the Daddy of modern RR's, the Phantom VII, slightly aggressive, a touch of thunderbirds and plenty.


thehardman07

273 posts

210 months

Tuesday 14th January 2025
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Bladedancer said:
I'm sorry this is just ghastly
It's just in keeping with their paint schemes from yesteryear surely?

This being a prime example...