Roundabouts again :)

[numtumfutunch]

Apologies if this has been posted, however I cant see it in the obvious fora/forums
Oh, and more apologies for the JV content

https://x.com/theJeremyVine/status/188813517351182...

What do we think of this?

I have a very similar mini roundabout nearby although Ive never been as bloody minded to pull out in front of a psychopath straight lining it without any concession to other road users

Popcorn at the ready

Cheers

[Ifinishposts]

I have always understood to give way to traffic on my right, the car entering the RA should have been more careful until they had a clear view and waited for the car turning to move, but the car coming through was going too fast.

[CG2020UK]

Poor driving from both that’s brutual

[Si_man306]

Car didn’t give way to his right, his fault.

Plain as day to me to be honest. Other chap was not driving with a lot of care/ highER speed but hardly reckless.

With experience I tend to manage to duck these idiots having come a cropper in teens/ early 20’s expecting others to do the ‘correct’ thing. Now I just expect everyone to drive like a knob and get along much better and lower stress….

[Quattr04.]

Corsa is going too fast for that road, that a3 hasn’t turned into the side road as it’s giving way to a pedestrian (as they now should be under the new Highway Code revision) and the corsa moves across to overtake it instead of slowing down and waiting, fiesta would have had a obscured view by the a3.

I would say it’s still the fiestas fault but the Corsa was going far too quickly, clearly not slowing down on the approach to a roundabout, which you should always do, especially since there was traffic to his right (the camera car) which he should be giving way too.

[Johnson897210]

Si_man306 said:

Car didn’t give way to his right, his fault.
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Agree with above. And disagree with Vine on pretty much everything he says or has ever said. Thoroughly unpleasant individual imo.

[trickywoo]

Let’s not forget that the vehicle already on the roundabout has priority. Mini roundabouts obviously make this much less obvious but as far as I know it’s still the rule.

If the straight liner always drives like that they must get in a lot of crashes.

[kambites]

As others have said that was poor driving on both parts, but primarily the fault of the car entering the roundabout from the right of the shot for failing to give way.

[RSstuff]

trickywoo said:

Let’s not forget that the vehicle already on the roundabout has priority. Mini roundabouts obviously make this much less obvious but as far as I know it’s still the rule.

This ^^^ there's white lines at the entrances to the roundabout for a reason.

[5s Alive]

Both cars view restricted by the stationary Audi so the only remotely safe way onto that rab was at a crawl. Car emerging from the right needed to be more cautious but the 'nothing to my right so I'm coming through at warp' attitude from the Corsa has no place on our roads.

[Actual]

The KY64 tosser was straight lining recklessly at speed because it was a 3 junction roundabout.

Hopefully the dash cammer provided the evidence to the authorities and KY64 was charged for dangerous driving or attempted murder.

[IJWS15]

What would the driver of the oncoming car have done if the camera car had started indicating right . . . . .

[Skeptisk]

RSstuff said:

trickywoo said:

Let’s not forget that the vehicle already on the roundabout has priority. Mini roundabouts obviously make this much less obvious but as far as I know it’s still the rule.

This ^^^ there's white lines at the entrances to the roundabout for a reason.

Priority to the right doesn’t give you the right to drive dangerously. The Corsa driver should have slowed down as his view was restricted. Also he should have known there was a car turning right into his path because the camera car had stopped (which he wouldn’t have done if there was nobody to his right).

[DaveCWK]

You only 'give way to the right' to cars already estsblished on the roundabout, not approaching at reckless speeds.

I can't make out which car entered the roundabout area first, looks basically even, so speeding aside will go for a 50/50 fault.

[RSstuff]

DaveCWK said:

You only 'give way to the right' to cars already estsblished on the roundabout, not approaching at reckless speeds.

I can't make out which car entered the roundabout area first, looks basically even, so speeding aside will go for a 50/50 fault.

Pause the video clip, and you can make it out.

[Foss62]

Slowing down the clip, it looks to me like neither of the drivers were actually intending to avoid the marked out roundabout. The straightliner was the worst of the two, because of his speed (completely insane), lack of hazard awareness and anticipation, but if the vehicle emerging from the right had aimed to circulate correctly, he might have had a slight chance of avoiding this.
Definitely 50:50 from an insurance perspective, and both should get points on their licences.

[Fastdruid]

DaveCWK said:

You only 'give way to the right' to cars already estsblished on the roundabout, not approaching at reckless speeds.

100% this. Its a common misconception that people seem to have however so you do have to be _very_ careful of idiots steaming through.

Instead of thinking of it as a roundabout imagine you're joining a one way road from a side road. When joining it you have to give way to traffic already on it *AND* you can't just join and plow into someone ahead of you already on it!

DaveCWK said:

I can't make out which car entered the roundabout area first, looks basically even, so speeding aside will go for a 50/50 fault.

The car from the right (Fiesta?) had crossed the give way markings before the Corsa.


I would put this one down as the Corsa's (KY64 XHW) fault. In no small part however due to the excessive speed he was travelling, if he'd slowed down and checked it was clear the entire incident wouldn't have happened.

[5s Alive]

Had he not been approaching at such a ludicrous speed then the Audi would have cleared and he'd have seen the other car - which also may have cleared by then.

[Dave.]

IJWS15 said:

What would the driver of the oncoming car have done if the camera car had started indicating right . . . . .

Probably spit “fk off , I’m first!” at the inside of his windscreen while leaning on the horn.

[Zero Fuchs]

Johnson897210 said:

Si_man306 said:

Car didn’t give way to his right, his fault.
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Agree with above. And disagree with Vine on pretty much everything he says or has ever said. Thoroughly unpleasant individual imo.

Vine is a prick but both of you need to revisit the HWC IMO.

Unfortunately too many people thing just entering from the right gives them a carte blanche to launch into a roundabout at whatever speed takes their fancy. My absolute pet peeve are those doing this on a blind roundabout with no visibility of who might be entering from the left.

Edited by Zero Fuchs on Saturday 8th February 22:38