Hatches that look like saloons & vice-versa
Hatches that look like saloons & vice-versa
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samoht

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7,213 posts

175 months

Monday 24th February 2025
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One of the first road tests I read when I picked up Autocar as a child was the Daihatsu Applause. This otherwise unremarkable 1.6L family hatch hides a trick - although its three-box shape looks just like a four door saloon, in fact when you release the boot, it turns out to be a more practical hatchback



More recently, the Polestar 2 with its distinct flat 'bootlid' arguably doesn't advertise its fifth door, whereas conversely the car it aspires to poach customers from, the Tesla Model 3, looks for all the world like a five door fastback hatch, so much so that I was surprised and disappointed to discover at the dealership that it's actually a saloon.




But the piece de resistance of non-hatches, the 'anti-Applause' if you like, must be the original Renault Megane Coupe. I just saw this described as a two-door on social media, was all set to jump in and correct the author, went to find a pic to prove my point - and ended up disproving it instead:

The boot opening looks like that of a convertible. Renault must have seen the error of their ways, since subsequent Coupes are indeed three-door.


What other cars have mislead or surprised you as to their bootlid arrangement?

M4cruiser

5,146 posts

179 months

Monday 24th February 2025
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Original Passat

miniman

30,024 posts

291 months

Monday 24th February 2025
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I suppose the original Superb dual hatchback and saloon arrangement was pretty unusual.


samoht

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Monday 24th February 2025
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M4cruiser said:
Original Passat
Great example, especially as VW subsequently seem to have introduced hatchback variants with identical profiles.

Going back to the 60s/70s there are quite a few more examples I think, as the hatchback was then a fairly new idea so there are more cars that look like they 'should' have one that don't. The Citroen GS and GSA would be another example like the Passat of the same shape coming in both formats, with the hatch introduced later.


The original Mini would be another car which to today's eyes looks like it 'should' be a hatch, but has a small vertical boot opening akin to the Megane Coupe above. But of course in 1959 people wouldn't have expected a hatchback.

Hub

7,128 posts

227 months

Monday 24th February 2025
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I think the MK1 Astra started life as a saloon, or perhaps it was a base model - but quickly dropped for a hatch option?

I think maybe the early AlfaSud was too

I suppose at that time hatchbacks were becoming more popular but there were still many models with those little hatch type boots. The Renault Coupe is a good one though because that is late to have that time of design.

samoht

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175 months

Monday 24th February 2025
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miniman said:
I suppose the original Superb dual hatchback and saloon arrangement was pretty unusual.

Wow! That's superb!

"Is it a saloon or a hatchback?"
"Yes"


galro

865 posts

198 months

Monday 24th February 2025
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How about the Citroen XM? It have a hatch opening, but it is really a sedan.



Although it is possible to remove the window to make it into a proper hatch.


miniman

30,024 posts

291 months

Monday 24th February 2025
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Renault Modus is another oddity - normal hatchback with a “Boot Chute” for… uhm… something.


shed driver

3,066 posts

189 months

Monday 24th February 2025
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The wedge Princess was originally a saloon, but there were aftermarket firms who would convert it to a hatchback. It morphed into the 80's Ambassador.



SD.

anonymous-user

83 months

Monday 24th February 2025
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galro said:
How about the Citroen XM? It have a hatch opening, but it is really a sedan.



Although it is possible to remove the window to make it into a proper hatch.
Whats the point in that? Does it have 2 rear windows?

The new Audi A5 “Saloon” that is really a hatch.



Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 24th February 22:00

Gad-Westy

16,561 posts

242 months

Monday 24th February 2025
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The original Mini being a saloon always amuses me. Only because that basic shape is now absolutely synonymous with hatchbacks.

For some reason as well, I always think the Tesla Model S looks more like a saloon and the Model 3 looks more like a hatchback.

lufbramatt

5,672 posts

163 months

Monday 24th February 2025
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Gad-Westy said:
The original Mini being a saloon always amuses me. Only because that basic shape is now absolutely synonymous with hatchbacks.

For some reason as well, I always think the Tesla Model S looks more like a saloon and the Model 3 looks more like a hatchback.
Austin allegro also looks like it should be a hatchback, but isn’t

Maxym

3,016 posts

265 months

Monday 24th February 2025
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shed driver said:
The wedge Princess was originally a saloon, but there were aftermarket firms who would convert it to a hatchback. It morphed into the 80's Ambassador.



SD.
Is the front NS door open? Or just a contemporary typical BL shut line?

aka_kerrly

12,505 posts

239 months

Monday 24th February 2025
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The Skoda Octavia gives the impression that only the lower section opens up yet it's a full hatch opening.

Cliftonite

8,738 posts

167 months

Tuesday 25th February 2025
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samoht said:
Wow! That's superb!

"Is it a saloon or a hatchback?"
"Yes"
"Superb"? No pun intended? smile

OR: ISWYDT?




Dapster

9,436 posts

209 months

Tuesday 25th February 2025
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wyson said:
galro said:
How about the Citroen XM? It have a hatch opening, but it is really a sedan.



Although it is possible to remove the window to make it into a proper hatch.
Whats the point in that? Does it have 2 rear windows?

The new Audi A5 “Saloon” that is really a hatch.



Edited by wyson on Monday 24th February 22:00
It was designed as such so you could open the rear hatch without the wind and rain affecting the rear seat passengers. Yes, there were 2 rear windows.

Another....e Tron GT looks like a hatch but has a boot





Lancia Beta





Alfa SZ



Dapster

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209 months

Tuesday 25th February 2025
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Hub said:
I think the MK1 Astra started life as a saloon, or perhaps it was a base model - but quickly dropped for a hatch option?
The boot and hatch versions were sold at the same time - the booted one actually had a different rear end with a smaller rear window and larger area of metal to make the boot panel


Juan B

658 posts

33 months

Tuesday 25th February 2025
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For a while I didn’t realise the Kia Stinger was a hatch




KillerHERTZ

1,116 posts

227 months

Tuesday 25th February 2025
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Dapster said:
The boot and hatch versions were sold at the same time - the booted one actually had a different rear end with a smaller rear window and larger area of metal to make the boot panel

One for the Bad Parking thread? biggrin

As its a picture from the 1970s, the dodgy old man fishing is checking out the kids. Im suprised its not a BBC promotional shot.