RE: New Dacia Duster Cargo launched
RE: New Dacia Duster Cargo launched
Tuesday 16th September

New Dacia Duster Cargo launched

Rear seats getting in the way of your Amazon boxes? Full factory conversion promises to fix that


You wait for one quirky van to come along and then two arrive at once. Yesterday, it was the Renault 4, a battery-electric solution to the job of moving moderately chunky items around a city; today, it’s the Duster Cargo, a factory conversion of Dacia’s award-winning compact SUV. Without wishing to dampen anyone’s enthusiasm for the former, it is most likely the latter that will appeal to PHers and the Great British public in general - not just for its laudable approach to value, but because it is also immediately available to buy in the UK and predominantly powered by petrol. Which is nice. 

It also looks the part. Vaguely rugged SUVs are halfway to vans anyway, and while Dacia hasn’t gone to the trouble of replacing the rear windows (these are now fixed and get an ‘opaque film’ rather than panelling), the Duster clearly isn’t going to look out of place barreling down a farm track. Indeed, this is most of the point: the mild-hybrid 130 version twins a 1.2-litre three-cylinder engine with a 48v motor and four-wheel drive. At £22,995 (without VAT), Dacia is doubtless hoping to tempt buyers who have out-of-the-way deliveries to make. 

For those that do, the Cargo supplies 1,149 litres of fillable space thanks to the removal of the rear seats and the introduction of a nice flat load floor. Built to the same N1 commercial spec as the Renault 4, the load area is separated from the passenger compartment via a new mesh bulkhead, intended to prevent your cargo from turning up on your lap. This is especially convenient as Dacia says the Duster will accept a 430kg payload. Significantly shy of the 790kg a custom-made small van like the Ford Transit Connect will accommodate, of course, but you’d expect that. 

There is one spec: the Expression, which will furnish you with mostly everything you need, including 17-inch alloy wheels and the 10.1-inch media display. If you can live with two-wheel drive, there is also the prospect of a Dacia’s latest Hybrid 155 powertrain, which mates a naturally aspirated four-cylinder engine to a 50hp electric motor. This will save you some percentage on BIK and cut some time off the Cargo’s 0-62mph time, but it’s auto only and we much prefer the idea of bounding around in a manual Duster-van. If that thought appeals, the newcomer is available to order now ahead of first deliveries later this year. 


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steveb8189

Original Poster:

514 posts

209 months

Wednesday 17th September
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Why would anyone buy one of these over a small van? I'd get it if there was an ability to put the rear seats back in if required but this just seems a compromise.

"I need a van but want it to look like a car"

E38

732 posts

231 months

Wednesday 17th September
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I wish these semi-commercials didn't have a halfway house of opaque glass. Giving the visibility limitations in tight junctions where you can't see through the side windows, with the risk of smashing glass if something moves around in the back.
Give an option of metal panels or clear glass with a metal mesh shield so you can still see through it!

Snow and Rocks

2,925 posts

45 months

Wednesday 17th September
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steveb8189 said:
Why would anyone buy one of these over a small van? I'd get it if there was an ability to put the rear seats back in if required but this just seems a compromise.

"I need a van but want it to look like a car"
1) There are some businesses that don't particularly need a van but will be happy to accept the tax benefits.

2) If you want something more robust and capable of venturing off tarmac than a small van. Dusters are surprisingly capable and will happily bounce up rough tracks or in and out of muddy fields that would either stop or ruin your average van.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

31,369 posts

253 months

Wednesday 17th September
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I'm out of touch with VAT rules, but will the purchaser be able to reclaim the VAT as a commercial vehicle? I'm thinking it's more like a 2 seat car rather than a van? scratchchin

(I vaguely remember back in the day rear windows being an issue for VAT treatment).

biggbn

28,138 posts

238 months

Wednesday 17th September
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It's a yes from me...much more preferable to the 4 'van' elsewhere...

119

14,183 posts

54 months

Wednesday 17th September
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E38 said:
I wish these semi-commercials didn't have a halfway house of opaque glass. Giving the visibility limitations in tight junctions where you can't see through the side windows, with the risk of smashing glass if something moves around in the back.
Give an option of metal panels or clear glass with a metal mesh shield so you can still see through it!
Seriously?

It’s a car without rear windows, the same as a normal van.


wibble cb

3,983 posts

225 months

Wednesday 17th September
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119 said:
E38 said:
I wish these semi-commercials didn't have a halfway house of opaque glass. Giving the visibility limitations in tight junctions where you can't see through the side windows, with the risk of smashing glass if something moves around in the back.
Give an option of metal panels or clear glass with a metal mesh shield so you can still see through it!
Seriously?

It s a car without rear windows, the same as a normal van.
Does this also point to a potential shrinkage of available specialist small vans, these being the next best thing ( fewer platforms/ special bodies etc)

119

14,183 posts

54 months

Wednesday 17th September
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wibble cb said:
119 said:
E38 said:
I wish these semi-commercials didn't have a halfway house of opaque glass. Giving the visibility limitations in tight junctions where you can't see through the side windows, with the risk of smashing glass if something moves around in the back.
Give an option of metal panels or clear glass with a metal mesh shield so you can still see through it!
Seriously?

It s a car without rear windows, the same as a normal van.
Does this also point to a potential shrinkage of available specialist small vans, these being the next best thing ( fewer platforms/ special bodies etc)
Not sure tbh.

I mean we did have all the other car derived vans before, Astravan, Fiestavan etc so there must be a market for them?

RotorRambler

490 posts

8 months

Wednesday 17th September
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Looks a great dog person vehicle !

Snow and Rocks

2,925 posts

45 months

Wednesday 17th September
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119 said:
Not sure tbh.

I mean we did have all the other car derived vans before, Astravan, Fiestavan etc so there must be a market for them?
It's a pretty cheap thing to bring to market compared to a standalone van so there's really no reason not to do it. Toyota and LR do it pretty successfully with Land Cruisers and Defenders/Discoverys too.

E38

732 posts

231 months

Wednesday 17th September
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119 said:
Seriously?

It s a car without rear windows, the same as a normal van.
Yes seriously, as despite your assertion this Dacia "cargo" has rear windows but an "opaque film" has been applied.

So unlike a van anything in the back can smash a window. And you can't see out of it.

Boosh-36

66 posts

122 months

Wednesday 17th September
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Great!
N1 homologated so VAT can be reclaimed and is available in 4x4 (+whatever fleet discounts are available).
Good for those who need to carry some crap off the beaten track where vans cannot go. National Trust / Lake District authorities etc should lap this up.

119

14,183 posts

54 months

Wednesday 17th September
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E38 said:
Yes seriously, as despite your assertion this Dacia "cargo" has rear windows but an "opaque film" has been applied.

So unlike a van anything in the back can smash a window. And you can't see out of it.
I get the window potentially being damaged, but not the can’t see out of it.

The way I see it, is that it is ultimately a cheaper way to produce a van version, rather than have a different shell.

Assuming that’s how it would be built!

anonymous-user

72 months

Wednesday 17th September
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I always assume these are just a tax dodge dressed up as a practical solution. A bit like the "commercial" Land Rovers which are retro fitted with rear seats the moment they're bought.

Wheel Turned Out

1,690 posts

56 months

Wednesday 17th September
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E38 said:
I wish these semi-commercials didn't have a halfway house of opaque glass. Giving the visibility limitations in tight junctions where you can't see through the side windows, with the risk of smashing glass if something moves around in the back.
Give an option of metal panels or clear glass with a metal mesh shield so you can still see through it!
Things shouldn't be shifting around in the back - they should be strapped down or otherwise contained. If delivering goods unstrapped, anything heavy enough to break the window should be as low as possible. If heavy things are flying about with enough strength to break the window, you're in the midst of much more troubling circumstances and have bigger things to be concerned with.

fantheman80

2,139 posts

67 months

Wednesday 17th September
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Least its not called the Cargoster, like the Bigster, or the soon to be Med... u get the idea

Snow and Rocks

2,925 posts

45 months

Wednesday 17th September
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Chris Peacock said:
I always assume these are just a tax dodge dressed up as a practical solution. A bit like the "commercial" Land Rovers which are retro fitted with rear seats the moment they're bought.
All of the commercial Land Cruisers and Land Rovers I know of locally here have stayed as vans.

The Defenders blinged up and driven by guys who own road tarring or plant hire businesses and the Land Cruisers by horsey girls or farmers.

Rural Aberdeenshire so maybe location dependent.

Sion111R

391 posts

110 months

Wednesday 17th September
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Snow and Rocks said:
steveb8189 said:
Why would anyone buy one of these over a small van? I'd get it if there was an ability to put the rear seats back in if required but this just seems a compromise.

"I need a van but want it to look like a car"
1) There are some businesses that don't particularly need a van but will be happy to accept the tax benefits.

2) If you want something more robust and capable of venturing off tarmac than a small van. Dusters are surprisingly capable and will happily bounce up rough tracks or in and out of muddy fields that would either stop or ruin your average van.
Currently running a Mitsubishi Outlander car derived “van” for my work in Agriculture. Tax benefit is a key reason for going with it plus four wheel drive is a must. TBH I have kept it way longer than expected because it fits the brief so well. The rear doors are a bonus (versus a real van) as I have a large storage box either side for the day to day items which can be easily accessed irrespective of what’s being carried in the main load area.

FA57REN

1,212 posts

73 months

Wednesday 17th September
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Wheel Turned Out said:
Things shouldn't be shifting around in the back - they should be strapped down or otherwise contained.
Flip it the other way, then. A van doesn't have windows that some opportunist can smash witha hammer to grab what's within.

Wheel Turned Out

1,690 posts

56 months

Wednesday 17th September
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FA57REN said:
Wheel Turned Out said:
Things shouldn't be shifting around in the back - they should be strapped down or otherwise contained.
Flip it the other way, then. A van doesn't have windows that some opportunist can smash witha hammer to grab what's within.
Replacing a window is generally going to be easier than replacing whatever ridiculous mangling they'd do to get around a door with deadlocks, such as replacing the whole door or indeed perhaps even a hole being cut.

If they want to get in, they'll get in. Tool thefts certainly are coordinated usually and well equipped, they're rarely opportunists. The less damage done in that process, the better.

I'm not saying that's alright or anything, but it's not exactly convincing me.