RE: Rolls-Royce swaps EV target for more V12s
RE: Rolls-Royce swaps EV target for more V12s
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Rolls-Royce swaps EV target for more V12s

First Bentley applies the brakes to battery power, now Goodwood says combustion will continue long after 2030


Of all the luxury manufacturers that made a pledge about the transition to EVs, it arguably made the most sense for Rolls-Royce. Its cars were famously refined and effortlessly torquey with hundreds of valves, pistons, conrods, turbochargers and camshafts doing their thing; it wasn’t hard to imagine what could be achieved with a battery and near-silent e-motors. Rolls-Royces have almost always been heavy cars, too, so it was hardly like electric power stood to threaten decades of reputation built on lightweight performance machinery. 

Add all that to the fact that R-R could make use of BMW’s EV technology, and all looked pretty promising; back at the launch of the Spectre in 2022, then-CEO Torsten Muller Otvos said that the entire lineup would be electric in just eight years. “By the end of 2030 we will no longer be in the business of producing vehicles with internal combustion engines.” Ambitious, certainly - but the Spectre was critically acclaimed. If anyone was going to do it from the legacy makers, it was surely Rolls-Royce - making around 5,000 cars a year - who could go from only V12s to only EVs. 

Well, it ain’t gonna happen. In a Times interview, current boss Chris Brownridge has backtracked on the promise made by his predecessor, and suggested that V12s will continue in Rolls-Royces past 2030. Though he conceded that what Muller-Otvos had said was “right at the time”, recent developments like the relaxation of emissions targets had changed the playing field. That and the fact people buying Rolls-Royces still really want those engines they can’t detect working: “The legislation has changed. That prediction was based on a different set of circumstances. We recognise some clients would rather have a V12 engine. The V12 is part of our history.” 

Indeed, Brownridge reckoned that “for every client that loves an electric vehicle there is one who does not”, so being generous, that puts the Spectre at around half of the 5,664 cars sold by Rolls-Royce last year. Exact data on the sales split between Spectre, Phantom, Cullinan and Ghost isn’t officially available, though as so many makers are finding right now the demand for combustion engines far outweighs the appetite for batteries. From a business perspective, for an OEM in firsthand contact with many of its customers, it would be senseless not to cater to their whims. 

The decision from Rolls-Royce comes as Bentley is putting the finishing touche to its electric car, first hinted at with the EXP 15 and having similarly promised an entirely EV line up by 2030. Back in 2020, it reckoned that every model in the lineup would be PHEV or EV by 2026; while every Bentley product does now have an electrified offering, cars like the Supersports - 666hp V8, rear-drive, limited run - are most certainly still around. And still coveted, too. 

In November, Bentley suggested that its Luxury Urban SUV would be on sale this year and with its customers in 2027. That remains the case, despite the fact that the brand “has a lot of work to do” - according to CEO Frank-Steffen Walliser - on convincing customers to give up their V8s. In an interview with the Financial Times, with 275 redundancies imminent, he added: “We had to renew, rethink and recalculate our complete product line and all future offers,” thanks to “renewed interest in the internal combustion engine”. 

Accordingly, he sees a future with EVs, PHEVs and “very selective” petrol models - think Supersports again - in Bentley’s future. It follows a drop in profits last year of 42 per cent, to €216m, thanks to the costs associated with cancelling development of a new EV platform to be shared by Porsche and Audi with Bentley. 

With all that’s unfolding at Aston Martin of late as well, plainly there are tricky times ahead for the British-based luxury makers. Understandable environmental pressure, and the legislation associated with it, forced them onto a path buyers were reluctant to follow them down; while the rules have slackened off a little, it’s far easier for lawmakers to change direction than it is for car manufacturers. Especially as demand for engines appears only to have intensified in the years of deliberation. Expect fewer cast-iron promises and a little more pragmatism as 2030 approaches. As well as plenty of purely combustion-powered special editions…


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deejay005

Original Poster:

62 posts

201 months

Yesterday (17:01)
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That shot of the Roller in the lido deserves a caption competition, no?

malaccamax

1,568 posts

254 months

Yesterday (17:03)
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The car industry has shown it's very bad at predicting the future. Let's revisit in five years!

161BMW

1,726 posts

188 months

Yesterday (17:13)
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Awesome news. The BMW N74B68 lives on.

161BMW

1,726 posts

188 months

Yesterday (17:13)
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malaccamax said:
The car industry has shown it's very bad at predicting the future. Let's revisit in five years!
I think there was a relaxation of the targets and the infrastructure isnt there and any true petrolhead generally hates EVs.

Terminator X

19,549 posts

227 months

Yesterday (17:58)
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Eminently sensible. Now if only the EU and UK could put their sensible hats on and allow all "engines". Build your best cars and let the market decide.

TX.

andrewpandrew

2,402 posts

12 months

Yesterday (18:07)
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Terminator X said:
…let the market decide.
Isn’t that what Kemi Badenoch said? And we all know how intelligent she is hehe


Rich Boy Spanner

1,762 posts

153 months

Yesterday (18:27)
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andrewpandrew said:
Terminator X said:
let the market decide.
Isn t that what Kemi Badenoch said? And we all know how intelligent she is hehe
NP&E awaits you.

skylarking808

1,058 posts

109 months

Yesterday (18:29)
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deejay005 said:
That shot of the Roller in the lido deserves a caption competition, no?
How about;

"Keith Moon would be proud"

SDK

2,880 posts

276 months

Yesterday (18:30)
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Terminator X said:
Eminently sensible. Now if only the EU and UK could put their sensible hats on and allow all "engines". Build your best cars and let the market decide.

TX.
Keep your own engine generated pollution as you drive around, stop stuffing it into my lungs, and I'm happy with this approach smile

161BMW

1,726 posts

188 months

Yesterday (18:33)
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Terminator X said:
Eminently sensible. Now if only the EU and UK could put their sensible hats on and allow all "engines". Build your best cars and let the market decide.

TX.
Bring back the naturally aspirated glory days of the 2000s and f all this emissions bullocks and EVs.

Sir Keith Stormer

364 posts

8 months

Yesterday (18:37)
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SDK said:
Terminator X said:
Eminently sensible. Now if only the EU and UK could put their sensible hats on and allow all "engines". Build your best cars and let the market decide.

TX.
Keep your own engine generated pollution as you drive around, stop stuffing it into my lungs, and I'm happy with this approach smile
Oh dear

SpadeBrigade

809 posts

162 months

Yesterday (18:46)
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‘so being generous, that puts the Spectre at around half of the 5,664 cars sold by Rolls-Royce last year…’

Absolutely no way.

Chainsaw Rebuild

2,116 posts

125 months

Yesterday (18:50)
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Seems like a backwards step for Rolls - EV clearly suits that type of car better than an ICE. Also EV is a chance for them to be creative and develop new things etc.

andrewpandrew

2,402 posts

12 months

Yesterday (19:13)
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Rich Boy Spanner said:
andrewpandrew said:
Terminator X said:
let the market decide.
Isn t that what Kemi Badenoch said? And we all know how intelligent she is hehe
NP&E awaits you.
Noooooooo!!!!!!

SydneyBridge

11,000 posts

181 months

Yesterday (19:20)
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Chainsaw Rebuild said:
Seems like a backwards step for Rolls - EV clearly suits that type of car better than an ICE. Also EV is a chance for them to be creative and develop new things etc.
True, but only if they can sell them

smilo996

3,582 posts

193 months

Yesterday (19:27)
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smacks of relaxation for the rich. In the current situation with oil supply and petrol prices, anyone arguing for cars running on fossils needs their head read.
However, seems sensible to let cars that are best served by fossils slip through. That should of course be hard core petrol-head cars not barges for the wealthy.

Moss Feen

264 posts

187 months

Yesterday (19:56)
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At the current fuel prices you will need a Mortgage to fill it

Quattr04.

968 posts

14 months

Yesterday (20:05)
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Terminator X said:
Eminently sensible. Now if only the EU and UK could put their sensible hats on and allow all "engines". Build your best cars and let the market decide.

TX.
I suspect that brands like Bentley and rolls Royce would find it easier to just disappear from the UK completely than drop engines, we must be a tiny make up of their sales

Can’t see the UAE, USA or Asia where these are popular banning ICE anytime soon.


plfrench

4,294 posts

291 months

Yesterday (20:05)
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As I said on another thread, the possible EU relaxation on the ban on non-ZEV from 2035 will allow the likes of Rolls, Bentley, Ferrari, Lamborghini etc to carry on as they were. Realistically it will be £200k plus cars where it will make sense for them to do this. Bear in mind the proposal is that it’s a drop to 90% reduction in CO2 emissions vs 2021. The remaining 10% needs to be achieved through the use of Biofuels / E-fuels or low carbon steel. Even ignoring the volume limitations of those fuels, it’s likely there will be the need for the fuel detection devices and previously spoken about by the EU commission to ensure they cannot run on normal petrol. Whichever way you cut it, these will be for the ultra luxury / sports cars only.

bigmowley

2,491 posts

199 months

Yesterday (20:08)
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Am i due a whoosh parrot but why is there a picture of a semi submerged RR? Looks like a Tom Hartley advert gone wrong.