New Focus. Torque Vectoring?
New Focus. Torque Vectoring?
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skinley

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1,681 posts

189 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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Just saw an advert for a Ford Focus, apparently it has 'torque vectoring control' as standard.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but surely 'torque vectoring' is just a fancy new name for a limited slip differential, which has been fitted to many cars, as standard, since (I'd guess) the 1960's.

OwenK

3,472 posts

224 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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I don't know about this specific case, but it could mean some sort of clutch-based computer controlled differential rather than a conventional geared LSD?

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

284 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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It's just a progression of the traction control/stability systems that use the ABS to brake individual wheels. In this case it simply applies some braking to the inside front wheel in a corner. Pretty much just a software update of the stability control system, but called "Torque vectoring" by the marketing tts to make it sound like something really impressive.

Egg Chaser

4,954 posts

196 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's a kind of traction control. It monitors both of the front wheel speeds, and and if one of the wheels starts to wheelspin (usually the inside wheel), it applies the brakes to that wheel. That, in theory, sends more torque to the other wheel and retains better grip. I suppose it's the same principle as ABS, but sort of opposite.

xrv

544 posts

244 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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TVC doesn't use the brakes at all. It just limits power to the faster wheel while cornering sharply.

cptsideways

13,883 posts

281 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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It does work rather well having played with it, it basically what the WRC cars have been running for a while.


However the ng itself stuff is really rather clever & a real party trick.

vladcjelli

3,370 posts

187 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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Having the car park itself the first few (hundred?) times must be a really strange feeling.

I mean I can't sit in the passenger seat without trying to apply the non-existent brake pedal, never mind stop myself from grabbing the wheel to save myself from the invisible parking pixies.

QuackHandle

3,100 posts

216 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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O/T - I don't know why, and I'm probably in the minority here, but auto-parking and the like really annoys me, what's wrong with driving into a parking space? I wouldn't be able to trust it, no matter how thoroughly it had been tested.

cptsideways

13,883 posts

281 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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QuackHandle said:
O/T - I don't know why, and I'm probably in the minority here, but auto-parking and the like really annoys me, what's wrong with driving into a parking space? I wouldn't be able to trust it, no matter how thoroughly it had been tested.
It only reverse parks itself wink once its found a space big enough & less than a foot to spare it will do it. Though you do have to do the pedals wink

Negative Creep

26,064 posts

256 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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QuackHandle said:
O/T - I don't know why, and I'm probably in the minority here, but auto-parking and the like really annoys me, what's wrong with driving into a parking space? I wouldn't be able to trust it, no matter how thoroughly it had been tested.
Being a modern car you probably need it as you will have fk all rear or side visibility

FraserLFA

5,083 posts

203 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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QuackHandle said:
what's wrong with driving into a parking space?
It's not really designed for car parks, more for Parallel parking, where it's hard to drive in.

Wycombe83

439 posts

206 months

Friday 1st April 2011
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Funny enough I saw my first new shape Focus in Thame today biggrin

QuackHandle

3,100 posts

216 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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FraserLFA said:
It's not really designed for car parks, more for Parallel parking, where it's hard to drive in.
Yeah but parallel parking is a normal part of driving, everybody should be able to do it.

stewjohnst

2,479 posts

190 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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New golfs have had the park assist for a while, seems it does a fine job of kerbing the alloys if you look aroud.

Never really seen the point of it for me or parking sensors on smaller cars, made sense on my e60 when I couldnt really spot the ends of it but in a golf/focus with a flattish hatch, pdc or anything else is a waste of money imo.

littleredrooster

6,369 posts

225 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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xrv said:
TVC doesn't use the brakes at all. It just limits power to the faster wheel while cornering sharply.
That's clever. How does it split the power between the wheels, then?

papercup

2,501 posts

248 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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This reminds me of The Simpsons when the guy from the Air Force describes an F15 as 'one of our more dollar-intensive ordnance delivery vectors'.

R1 Indy

4,507 posts

212 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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QuackHandle said:
Yeah but parallel parking is a normal part of driving, everybody should be able to do it.
only if you live in london Etc

the amount of times i have done a parrellel park sinse i passed my test 3.5 years ago is probably still in single figures.


Monty Python

4,813 posts

226 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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littleredrooster said:
That's clever. How does it split the power between the wheels, then?
There are two types of TVC - one uses the brakes (as on the Focus), while the other from GKN is more complicated:

"Two units per axle provide the requested vectoring torque by a superimposition planetary gear set electronically controlled at the ZF system level by an electric motor actuated clutch. GKN Driveline's actuator hardware consists of a wet clutch and a two-stage ball ramp mechanism to achieve the accuracy within the required response time."

FraserLFA

5,083 posts

203 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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QuackHandle said:
FraserLFA said:
It's not really designed for car parks, more for Parallel parking, where it's hard to drive in.
Yeah but parallel parking is a normal part of driving, everybody should be able to do it.
That's the clincher!

andy43

13,191 posts

283 months

Saturday 2nd April 2011
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Having seen the advert, I think we should all visit our local Ford dealers, and ask the saleman to explain how this torque vectoring works exactly. Maybe with pen, paper and a sketch or three if necessary.
Most amusing/clueless answer wins biggrin