RE: Better-than-half-price MG4 XPower for sale
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Better-than-half-price MG4 XPower for sale
The 435hp MG was great value new - now it's Dacia money...
Big news: there’s a new MG 4 imminent. That’s only slightly sarcastic, too, as the battery-powered family hatch has proven quite the hit, both commercially and critically. Almost 50,000 have been sold in the UK, and the PH review suggested the 4 was ‘one of our stars of 2022’. So there. For the update, MG is doubling down on what made its core EV popular in the first place: it’s now cheaper, the tech is said to be better, and it offers up to 338 miles of range. So expect to see plenty more of them on the road this year.
The price reduction extends to the top-of-the-range MG 4 XPower, too; what used to cost £37k is now £33,995. Which, for 435hp, isn’t very much money at all. By all accounts the XPower version isn’t the greatest EV in the world to drive (little wonder we've never been offered the chance) dual motors and all that power probably a bit too much for the chassis in truth - nevertheless, it’s hard to ignore that much performance for, relatively speaking, so little cash: it’ll do 0-62mph in 3.8 seconds, after all.
In the meantime, secondhand examples are plentiful. And, wouldn’t you know, even more affordable than new. We’re accustomed to very expensive EVs plummeting in value, yet it would appear that a general lack of enthusiasm is impacting all sectors. This XPower, for example, is £20,000 less than it would have been new after fewer than 10,000 miles. While £17,989 isn’t yet bargain basement territory (and it’ll be there probably sooner than we all think), it puts the MG at little more than new Dacia Spring money. With four times the power. Speed isn’t everything, but it does matter.
With so few miles, this XPower appears to be in like-new condition. The 61.8kWh usable battery is said to be at 97 per cent health (the official range is 240 miles), the orange paint is still violently vibrant, and the interior shows the bare minimum of wear. It’s not going to set any new standards for ambience or take your breath away with features, though it’s going to be good enough, surely, for a shopping/school/swimming shuttle. With the straight line performance of a Porsche, don’t forget.
And without wishing to sound like a broken record, that’s going to be the crux of an XPower’s appeal. It isn’t the only nearly new EV at less than £20k, but it really is the only one that’ll offer up so much speed. Imperfect one-trick ponies become a lot easier to like when they’re even cheaper than new. In theory, it shouldn’t cost very much to run, either, at least for those with home charging, and will still be under manufacturer warranty for a good while yet. As an urban runaround that might be even quicker than your fun car, there’s surely a lot to be said for an XPower.
With new ones coming to market soon as well (at that lower price), it’s got to be a good time to do a deal on the old ones. Already there are pre-facelift examples at less than £25k with delivery miles, which is a significant saving on what’s already a pretty cheap car. With new ones on the way, MG dealers in particular will probably want rid of old stock. While this isn’t going to be the 400hp+ five-door hatch for everyone, or an £18k MG to lust after (here’s a V8 B, we still like those too), the power-per-pound ratio is unavoidably favourable for the XPower. And we’re nothing if not keen on good value here. See you at Santa Pod.
SPECIFICATION | MG4 XPOWER
Engine: 61.8kWh lithium-ion/NMC battery (usable), dual electric motors
Transmission: Single-speed, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 435
Torque (lb ft): 443
0-60mph: 3.8 seconds
Top speed: 124mph
MPG: 239 miles, 3.3mi/kWh, 150kW charging
Year registered: 2023
Recorded mileage: 9,839
Price new: £36,495 (as standard, before options)
Yours for: £17,989
Discussion
Had an MG4 2023 from new and 19k miles. Got shut of it as the driver assist tech was downright dangerous steering violently towards cyclists as I passed them with my indicator on and phantom breaking constantly. I replaced it with a Smart #1 which is a fantastic car.
The point of all this rambling is that there are Smart #1 Brabus available now at just over £20k so I would suggest anyone considering this look at them also.
The point of all this rambling is that there are Smart #1 Brabus available now at just over £20k so I would suggest anyone considering this look at them also.
Mikebentley said:
Had an MG4 2023 from new and 19k miles. Got shut of it as the driver assist tech was downright dangerous steering violently towards cyclists as I passed them with my indicator on and phantom breaking constantly. I replaced it with a Smart #1 which is a fantastic car.
The point of all this rambling is that there are Smart #1 Brabus available now at just over £20k so I would suggest anyone considering this look at them also.
There is a software update which makes it far less aggressive, I've never had a problem with it in mine but I do still switch it off every time I drive the car (the same with my wife's Hyundai). I hate these "safety" features in all new cars.The point of all this rambling is that there are Smart #1 Brabus available now at just over £20k so I would suggest anyone considering this look at them also.
I've had my (Trophy Long Range) MG4 for about 18 months now and it's been fine, no trips to the dealer other than for a service. I wouldn't have another though, it's a cheap car (leased) and that's reflected in the build quality, the way it drives and the software. Having tried both the XPower and the Trophy I opted for the Trophy because it's better to drive with RWD, lighter, longer range and still fairly brisk - the Xpower is too fast for the rest of the car really. Great if you want to beat people away from the lights, but that's all it really excels at.
Edited by CMTMB on Thursday 29th January 13:05
that is good value. I hadn't realise that MG had also snuck out a 750bhp car, which seems to start around £40k
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202510157...
that's going to be.. rapid? although the spec is only 0.3 seconds faster to 60 than the car this thread is about..
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202510157...
that's going to be.. rapid? although the spec is only 0.3 seconds faster to 60 than the car this thread is about..
Mikebentley said:
Had an MG4 2023 from new and 19k miles. Got shut of it as the driver assist tech was downright dangerous steering violently towards cyclists as I passed them with my indicator on and phantom breaking constantly. I replaced it with a Smart #1 which is a fantastic car.
The point of all this rambling is that there are Smart #1 Brabus available now at just over £20k so I would suggest anyone considering this look at them also.
Yes the LKA was far too strong.The point of all this rambling is that there are Smart #1 Brabus available now at just over £20k so I would suggest anyone considering this look at them also.
Interior was awful, Too basic, The boot is too shallow, We had lots of fun going to the airport with 2 kids and their cases on laps !
Screen is too glitchy, A brand new 24 car should have Android Auto that works and the screen going blank when the heating controls etc are through it isn t fun.
Going from a 2020 Cupra Lux to one was a massive step down in quality. Look at the prices now and a 2020 Leon Cupra is more than the 2023 MG.
It’s a one trick pony and if your a passenger you’ll get car sick !
CMTMB said:
Mikebentley said:
Had an MG4 2023 from new and 19k miles. Got shut of it as the driver assist tech was downright dangerous steering violently towards cyclists as I passed them with my indicator on and phantom breaking constantly. I replaced it with a Smart #1 which is a fantastic car.
The point of all this rambling is that there are Smart #1 Brabus available now at just over £20k so I would suggest anyone considering this look at them also.
There is a software update which makes it far less aggressive, I've never had a problem with it in mine but I do still switch it off every time I drive the car (the same with my wife's Hyundai). I hate these "safety" features in all new cars.The point of all this rambling is that there are Smart #1 Brabus available now at just over £20k so I would suggest anyone considering this look at them also.
The cons:
- First thing I do when I get in, is turn the ADAS systems off. Speed limiter into manual mode and set it each time I enter a new speed limit zone.
- The rest of the assists get switched off - Intelligent Cruise Assist gets turned off, or it will randomly flash up a speed limit e.g doing 70mph on a DC and it sees a phantom 20 limit and then slams on the brakes. Lane Keep Assist is on 'low' or the warning only, or it tries to steer you towards the very thing you are steering round - particularly on broken road surfaces with faint/nonexistent painted white lines.
- Also, in 'low' regen mode, it feels massively under braked. In a manual petrol or diesel, it's akin to slipping the gearbox into neutral - that's how it feels. Medium/high/one pedal mode is what I'd recommend.
- The efficiency and range in cold weather and wet weather will struggle to crack 2-2.5 miles per kWh in regular driving. So not necessarily a long journey type of car. Doing 60mph on DC/motorways in cold/wet weather means I can average 3 miles per kWh. Doing 70mph means barely cracking 2-2.2 miles per kWh.
The pros:
- The acceleration doesn't get old. Nipping into gaps, pulling away from junctions is a doddle. Joining dual carriageways and motorways means you're never trying to merge with a negative speed differential. It's far, far too easy to exceed a speed limit in seconds - and by a rather big margin - before you've noticed the scenery going by much faster. Keep the speed limiter manually enabled and adjust as you enter new limits.
- Very few vehicles can keep up with the sub-60mph performance. Effortless.
- One pedal mode is brilliant and is perfect for slow, town/city driving in stop-start traffic. Rarely do I need to actually press the brake pedal.
- With home charging and an EV specific tariff, it costs me £20-25 per month of electric to do 1k miles.
- In the warmer months and dry weather, I can easily match or exceed the WLTP average of 3.3 miles per kWh. At 60mph, I have seen 4 miles per kWh on longer journeys. And doing 70mph it cracks 3. If I'm doing my typical commute to work, driving to and from the shops, keeping up with the flow of traffic in 30/40/50 zones, I have regularly seen anywhere from 4.5-5.7 miles per kWh - very impressive indeed.
I've had the car for 10 months and done 12k miles - hasn't left me stranded, never failed to unlock or get going. Only had one random message - in error - that resolved itself after I locked the car, unlocked it and put it in Drive. Keep an eye on the battery terminals - they can get shaken loose and will make the car accessible only by the manual key.
Tyre pressures make a huge difference to efficiency and range. Keep them between the recommend 38psi and anything up to 40psi. As soon as it drops to 37 or lower, I noticed the efficiency wouldn't crack 2 miles per kWh no matter how I drove.
'Eco' mode keeps it in RWD as standard.
'Normal' mode keeps it in RWD unless you push the throttle harder and feel the front motor kicking in.
'Sport' mode keeps the AWD permanently engaged. Very, very useful on slippery surfaces (wet, muddy roads; snow).
'Snow' mode keeps the AWD permanently engaged, regen is in 'low' and it massively backs off the power delivery. Very gentle and reassuring when driving on summer tyres on frost/snow covered roads.
Ability to heat or cool the interior for 10 mins before getting in, is very welcome. Never have to get into a cold, iced up car. Nor a boiling hot car in summer. Heated seats are great for soothing an aching lower back, and the heated steering wheel is great for cold hands in winter. Seats are nice but wish they had a little more side bolstering for support when driving enthusiastically. The infotainment screen can be slow and laggy to respond.
My car is matte green - lovely colour but shows up the dirt instantly and csn be a pain in the arse to keep clean (if you're lazy like me).
I got mine brand new for £24.5k last March. So the lightly used one in the article is very good value for money. Say what you like about China, about EVs, about climate scepticism - it's a good car. Great performance, low running costs, good practicality, comfortable (unless on a very gutted, bumpy road or it feels like it is poggoing up and down on it's suspension).
You'd struggle to find any car that offers more manufacturer warranty, battery warranty, performance, practicality, cheap running costs and ease of use in a brand new car for £24.5k, let alone a used one for £18k or so.
1690cc said:
The headline power to used price makes a good talking point but for the same price you could be in a Polestar or a Tesla M3. Plus for not much more an i4 which importantly drives like a BMW.
Those Polestar 2 are lovely, aren't they?Would the PS2 and the Tesla M3 be 23 plates too, for the same price as the XPower?
Very interesting, informative view from an X Power owner.
I have an XPower.
The cons:
- First thing I do when I get in, is turn the ADAS systems off. Speed limiter into manual mode and set it each time I enter a new speed limit zone.
- The rest of the assists get switched off - Intelligent Cruise Assist gets turned off, or it will randomly flash up a speed limit e.g doing 70mph on a DC and it sees a phantom 20 limit and then slams on the brakes. Lane Keep Assist is on 'low' or the warning only, or it tries to steer you towards the very thing you are steering round - particularly on broken road surfaces with faint/nonexistent painted white lines.
- Also, in 'low' regen mode, it feels massively under braked. In a manual petrol or diesel, it's akin to slipping the gearbox into neutral - that's how it feels. Medium/high/one pedal mode is what I'd recommend.
- The efficiency and range in cold weather and wet weather will struggle to crack 2-2.5 miles per kWh in regular driving. So not necessarily a long journey type of car. Doing 60mph on DC/motorways in cold/wet weather means I can average 3 miles per kWh. Doing 70mph means barely cracking 2-2.2 miles per kWh.
The pros:
- The acceleration doesn't get old. Nipping into gaps, pulling away from junctions is a doddle. Joining dual carriageways and motorways means you're never trying to merge with a negative speed differential. It's far, far too easy to exceed a speed limit in seconds - and by a rather big margin - before you've noticed the scenery going by much faster. Keep the speed limiter manually enabled and adjust as you enter new limits.
- Very few vehicles can keep up with the sub-60mph performance. Effortless.
- One pedal mode is brilliant and is perfect for slow, town/city driving in stop-start traffic. Rarely do I need to actually press the brake pedal.
- With home charging and an EV specific tariff, it costs me £20-25 per month of electric to do 1k miles.
- In the warmer months and dry weather, I can easily match or exceed the WLTP average of 3.3 miles per kWh. At 60mph, I have seen 4 miles per kWh on longer journeys. And doing 70mph it cracks 3. If I'm doing my typical commute to work, driving to and from the shops, keeping up with the flow of traffic in 30/40/50 zones, I have regularly seen anywhere from 4.5-5.7 miles per kWh - very impressive indeed.
I've had the car for 10 months and done 12k miles - hasn't left me stranded, never failed to unlock or get going. Only had one random message - in error - that resolved itself after I locked the car, unlocked it and put it in Drive. Keep an eye on the battery terminals - they can get shaken loose and will make the car accessible only by the manual key.
Tyre pressures make a huge difference to efficiency and range. Keep them between the recommend 38psi and anything up to 40psi. As soon as it drops to 37 or lower, I noticed the efficiency wouldn't crack 2 miles per kWh no matter how I drove.
'Eco' mode keeps it in RWD as standard.
'Normal' mode keeps it in RWD unless you push the throttle harder and feel the front motor kicking in.
'Sport' mode keeps the AWD permanently engaged. Very, very useful on slippery surfaces (wet, muddy roads; snow).
'Snow' mode keeps the AWD permanently engaged, regen is in 'low' and it massively backs off the power delivery. Very gentle and reassuring when driving on summer tyres on frost/snow covered roads.
Ability to heat or cool the interior for 10 mins before getting in, is very welcome. Never have to get into a cold, iced up car. Nor a boiling hot car in summer. Heated seats are great for soothing an aching lower back, and the heated steering wheel is great for cold hands in winter. Seats are nice but wish they had a little more side bolstering for support when driving enthusiastically. The infotainment screen can be slow and laggy to respond.
My car is matte green - lovely colour but shows up the dirt instantly and csn be a pain in the arse to keep clean (if you're lazy like me).
I got mine brand new for £24.5k last March. So the lightly used one in the article is very good value for money. Say what you like about China, about EVs, about climate scepticism - it's a good car. Great performance, low running costs, good practicality, comfortable (unless on a very gutted, bumpy road or it feels like it is poggoing up and down on it's suspension).
You'd struggle to find any car that offers more manufacturer warranty, battery warranty, performance, practicality, cheap running costs and ease of use in a brand new car for £24.5k, let alone a used one for £18k or so.
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I have an XPower.
The cons:
- First thing I do when I get in, is turn the ADAS systems off. Speed limiter into manual mode and set it each time I enter a new speed limit zone.
- The rest of the assists get switched off - Intelligent Cruise Assist gets turned off, or it will randomly flash up a speed limit e.g doing 70mph on a DC and it sees a phantom 20 limit and then slams on the brakes. Lane Keep Assist is on 'low' or the warning only, or it tries to steer you towards the very thing you are steering round - particularly on broken road surfaces with faint/nonexistent painted white lines.
- Also, in 'low' regen mode, it feels massively under braked. In a manual petrol or diesel, it's akin to slipping the gearbox into neutral - that's how it feels. Medium/high/one pedal mode is what I'd recommend.
- The efficiency and range in cold weather and wet weather will struggle to crack 2-2.5 miles per kWh in regular driving. So not necessarily a long journey type of car. Doing 60mph on DC/motorways in cold/wet weather means I can average 3 miles per kWh. Doing 70mph means barely cracking 2-2.2 miles per kWh.
The pros:
- The acceleration doesn't get old. Nipping into gaps, pulling away from junctions is a doddle. Joining dual carriageways and motorways means you're never trying to merge with a negative speed differential. It's far, far too easy to exceed a speed limit in seconds - and by a rather big margin - before you've noticed the scenery going by much faster. Keep the speed limiter manually enabled and adjust as you enter new limits.
- Very few vehicles can keep up with the sub-60mph performance. Effortless.
- One pedal mode is brilliant and is perfect for slow, town/city driving in stop-start traffic. Rarely do I need to actually press the brake pedal.
- With home charging and an EV specific tariff, it costs me £20-25 per month of electric to do 1k miles.
- In the warmer months and dry weather, I can easily match or exceed the WLTP average of 3.3 miles per kWh. At 60mph, I have seen 4 miles per kWh on longer journeys. And doing 70mph it cracks 3. If I'm doing my typical commute to work, driving to and from the shops, keeping up with the flow of traffic in 30/40/50 zones, I have regularly seen anywhere from 4.5-5.7 miles per kWh - very impressive indeed.
I've had the car for 10 months and done 12k miles - hasn't left me stranded, never failed to unlock or get going. Only had one random message - in error - that resolved itself after I locked the car, unlocked it and put it in Drive. Keep an eye on the battery terminals - they can get shaken loose and will make the car accessible only by the manual key.
Tyre pressures make a huge difference to efficiency and range. Keep them between the recommend 38psi and anything up to 40psi. As soon as it drops to 37 or lower, I noticed the efficiency wouldn't crack 2 miles per kWh no matter how I drove.
'Eco' mode keeps it in RWD as standard.
'Normal' mode keeps it in RWD unless you push the throttle harder and feel the front motor kicking in.
'Sport' mode keeps the AWD permanently engaged. Very, very useful on slippery surfaces (wet, muddy roads; snow).
'Snow' mode keeps the AWD permanently engaged, regen is in 'low' and it massively backs off the power delivery. Very gentle and reassuring when driving on summer tyres on frost/snow covered roads.
Ability to heat or cool the interior for 10 mins before getting in, is very welcome. Never have to get into a cold, iced up car. Nor a boiling hot car in summer. Heated seats are great for soothing an aching lower back, and the heated steering wheel is great for cold hands in winter. Seats are nice but wish they had a little more side bolstering for support when driving enthusiastically. The infotainment screen can be slow and laggy to respond.
My car is matte green - lovely colour but shows up the dirt instantly and csn be a pain in the arse to keep clean (if you're lazy like me).
I got mine brand new for £24.5k last March. So the lightly used one in the article is very good value for money. Say what you like about China, about EVs, about climate scepticism - it's a good car. Great performance, low running costs, good practicality, comfortable (unless on a very gutted, bumpy road or it feels like it is poggoing up and down on it's suspension).
You'd struggle to find any car that offers more manufacturer warranty, battery warranty, performance, practicality, cheap running costs and ease of use in a brand new car for £24.5k, let alone a used one for £18k or so.
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Firebobby said:
The answer is in the write up. "A one trick pony" Not for me at any price. Next door has a MG hs. I'm certain it's been put together by nursery school age child. The build quality is straight from the 1980's. IMHO of course
Stuff like this has made me realise I am not that fixated by acceleration and beating anyone off the lights so much I am willing to drive a weird looking bright orange thing like that. Am sure its passable and goes like stink but choosing a car solely on acceleration vs price is something I may have done 30 years ago but I need more than that nowadays. Acceleration will be amazing to start with, you then get used to it and are stuck with the rest of it.Someone mentioned an Ipace, also available at that price point, will be a bit older and higher miles but it does look a lot better.
Think these will just continue to dwindle in price, a lot of buyers wont be bothered about the performance and those that are, will be looking elsewhere.
I do think there will be a lot over very good value EV's in the future, despite all the naysayers saying how terribly expensive they are, now they are saying "look how much they have depreciated", yeah, thats what cars do, though this does seem fairly savage, even for an MG/EV, and may even be available cheaper with a cheeky bid, imagine its a buyers market.
The new model from MG does look pretty good to be fair, but at 35 to 53 grand, based on this, would be a mad purchase.
It is interesting about the CO2 points that have been raised in the comments. It seems that science is being routinely highjacked and academia is now self serving.
That said, I bought a used Tesla Model 3 Dual Motor and frankly I love it, including its faults which I will come to. It is faster acceleration than my 911S and on the right A roads feels really engaging to drive... close to the early Lotus Evora I had. I like it because there is zero anxiety and in today's world of seemingly increased envy I pass by unnoticed.
The only bad things are the range in very cold weather that drops by a third!!! So when people say, you don't need the 360 mile sticker range... they are wrong, you do if you intend to cover distance. The cruise control does sometimes brake when I wouldn't, but then again, it is spookily alert and has spotted things I missed in sun in my eyes situations. If anyone dare mention build quality, in the round, it is infinitely better than a Lotus (easily done), and actually better than any Porsche I have owned, it shows no wear and doesn't have an IMS bearing
So back to the environmental point. The Tesla model 3 is very efficient, and quite light at 1850kgs. As such it doesn't take too much of the earths resources, so I'm OK with that. It is also now a bargain thanks to a crazy government retrospectively applying road tax, another major break of trust and undermining of confidence.
That said, I bought a used Tesla Model 3 Dual Motor and frankly I love it, including its faults which I will come to. It is faster acceleration than my 911S and on the right A roads feels really engaging to drive... close to the early Lotus Evora I had. I like it because there is zero anxiety and in today's world of seemingly increased envy I pass by unnoticed.
The only bad things are the range in very cold weather that drops by a third!!! So when people say, you don't need the 360 mile sticker range... they are wrong, you do if you intend to cover distance. The cruise control does sometimes brake when I wouldn't, but then again, it is spookily alert and has spotted things I missed in sun in my eyes situations. If anyone dare mention build quality, in the round, it is infinitely better than a Lotus (easily done), and actually better than any Porsche I have owned, it shows no wear and doesn't have an IMS bearing
So back to the environmental point. The Tesla model 3 is very efficient, and quite light at 1850kgs. As such it doesn't take too much of the earths resources, so I'm OK with that. It is also now a bargain thanks to a crazy government retrospectively applying road tax, another major break of trust and undermining of confidence.
It is the IM5 Performance that seems the real bargain to me (in the future)
Can get essentially a brand new one for £39k for a 750bhp car that does 0-60 in 3 seconds and near enough 170mph with over 350 miles of range.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202511187...
At 2 years old I can see them being £25k.
Can get essentially a brand new one for £39k for a 750bhp car that does 0-60 in 3 seconds and near enough 170mph with over 350 miles of range.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202511187...
At 2 years old I can see them being £25k.
greggy50 said:
It is the IM5 Performance that seems the real bargain to me (in the future)
Can get essentially a brand new one for £39k for a 750bhp car that does 0-60 in 3 seconds and near enough 170mph with over 350 miles of range.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202511187...
At 2 years old I can see them being £25k.
A friend has bought one of those. It joins an Elise mk 1 in the garage and he loves his cars. Can get essentially a brand new one for £39k for a 750bhp car that does 0-60 in 3 seconds and near enough 170mph with over 350 miles of range.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202511187...
At 2 years old I can see them being £25k.
Seems very pleased so far, will be interesting to see how he gets on long term.
Mikebentley said:
Had an MG4 2023 from new and 19k miles. Got shut of it as the driver assist tech was downright dangerous steering violently towards cyclists as I passed them with my indicator on and phantom breaking constantly.
That's fixed (well made less bad) in the phase-2 cars. Certainly our 2024 MG4's "drive aids" are far less intrusive than that of the Merc CLA hire car I have at the moment! I've had the Merc for two months now and it's slammed the brakes on for no reason 3 times so far; the MG hasn't ever done it in 16 months of ownership. Edited by kambites on Thursday 29th January 14:12
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