RE: Jaguar MkII | PH Private Area
RE: Jaguar MkII | PH Private Area
Thursday 7th May

Jaguar MkII | PH Private Area

It's not long now till Jag's new EV four-door era; time to revisit the original hero - in 260hp Coombes spec


We aren’t far away from knowing what the production version of Jaguar’s 1,000hp super GT will be called. We knew from the debut of the concept that it wouldn’t be Type 00 for the real thing, but there’s really been no hint at all about what badge the latest Jaguar will wear. Should it break with tradition, as so much of the car has, to reflect a bold new start? Or would a name that evokes an illustrious past make it appear part of the family? 

Whatever Type 00 becomes, it’s worth remembering just how simple Jaguar’s naming strategy has often been. XJ worked on the flagship four-door for 50 years, after all; C-, D-, E- and F-Type were hugely more evocative sports cars than their fairly prosaic names. Then  was the original super-saloon: the MkII. Many cars have had the term affixed to their second generation, but there’s only one car that can ever claim to be just the MkII. Still probably Jaguar’s most famous four-door 60 years later, the MkII really was the saloon for everybody. It made a good touring car, it made a good getaway car, it made a good car to chase the getaway car… Anything and everything a great saloon car should do, the MkII did with aplomb. A starring role in Morse did its popularity no harm. That and Mitsuoka’s hot washed take at about the same time…

In the 2020s, as for a while really, it’s easy to see the appeal of a MkII as a classic Jag purchase. Clearly it isn’t as glamorous or as recognisable as an E-Type, but you do still get the XK straight six at a fraction of the price. Their enduring popularity means specialist knowledge abounds. And it’s always going to look like a Jag, even to those born half a century later.

This one is more interesting than most, a MkII hot rod that promises a heck of a lot of fun. The 3.8 is said to be built to Coombes spec, so it benefits from a polished and ported head, a spicier cam, bigger carbs and plenty more of the good stuff for 260hp. With a lightened flywheel and modified gearbox as well, that famous engine should really zing through the revs. 

Additionally, this car gets a lower ride height courtesy of a Harvey Bailey handling kit and competition-spec alloy wheels. So this MkII pulls off a neat trick; on initial inspection it looks like any other, until that more assertive stance hints at something more potent. And on top of all that, it just looks like a really nice old Jag. Good paint, good interior, good history, all the things that are nice to see when taking on a 64-year-old car. But as the advert suggests, this is very much an old car to be driven, not just shown at the local village fete. Given the spec, that would surely be an absolute privilege. 

The asking price is £37,500, actually towards the lower end of MkII values on PH - anything up to £60k is being asked for restored examples. But with the manual, with the uprated 3.8 and with the chassis upgrades, this looks like the MkII that’ll really show an iconic Jag off to its fullest. Maybe the new EV should just be a Jaguar MkIII… 


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Turbobanana

Original Poster:

8,066 posts

226 months

Friday 8th May
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Where to begin...

"Coombes"

"Competition-spec alloy wheels"


HeMightBeBanned

628 posts

203 months

Friday 8th May
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Turbobanana said:
Where to begin...

"Coombes"

"Competition-spec alloy wheels"
Non-aficionados might not spot the Coombes spelling error, but it's clear to see that those are wire wheels not alloys.

Sack the sub-editor, Pistonheads.

Augustus Windsock

3,740 posts

180 months

Friday 8th May
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HeMightBeBanned said:
Turbobanana said:
Where to begin...

"Coombes"

"Competition-spec alloy wheels"
Non-aficionados might not spot the Coombes spelling error, but it's clear to see that those are wire wheels not alloys.

Sack the sub-editor, Pistonheads.
And so the story goes, the Jaguar driven by Morse in the TV series started life as a Daimler V8 250 (and yes I know in the books he drove a Lancia, model not revealed)

CH80

373 posts

22 months

Friday 8th May
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Lovely example. Definitely tempted.

Latifisnc

1,455 posts

117 months

Friday 8th May
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Lovely. The Mrs wants rid of her diesel f pace - wonder if I can persuade her away from a hybrid one to this.

Blackpuddin

19,157 posts

230 months

Friday 8th May
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Bloody gorgeous

kambites

70,929 posts

246 months

Friday 8th May
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HeMightBeBanned said:
Non-aficionados might not spot the Coombes spelling error, but it's clear to see that those are wire wheels not alloys.
I'm not saying those are, but is there any actual engineering reason that wire wheels made from an aluminium alloy couldn't be a thing? They're certainly a thing, albeit a relatively rare one, for pedal bike wheels.

Irrespective of what the wheels are made from, the car looks lovely.

Edited by kambites on Friday 8th May 19:07

nismo48

6,492 posts

232 months

Friday 8th May
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kambites said:
HeMightBeBanned said:
Non-aficionados might not spot the Coombes spelling error, but it's clear to see that those are wire wheels not alloys.
I'm not saying those are, but is there any actual engineering reason that wire wheels made from an aluminium alloy couldn't be a thing? They're certainly a thing, albeit a relatively rare one, for pedal bike wheels.

Irrespective of what the wheels are made from, the car looks lovely.

Edited by kambites on Friday 8th May 19:07
Have to agree I think Italian manufacturer Borrani made Alloy rimmed spoke wheels. Maserati and Ferrari I seem to remember used these.
The Jaguar for sale is in really good condition and well worth a pop.

SpadeBrigade

828 posts

164 months

Friday 8th May
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It’s beautiful. What an awesome way to travel.

J4CKO

46,147 posts

225 months

Friday 8th May
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Surely anyone who buys and drives that isn’t worrying about semantics on the article.

I’m not one to over eulogise old cars but that is lovely, and will still go very nicely.


WPA

14,061 posts

139 months

Friday 8th May
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Beautiful car that sadly has always had to live in the E type's shadow

Turbobanana

Original Poster:

8,066 posts

226 months

Saturday
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J4CKO said:
Surely anyone who buys and drives that isn t worrying about semantics on the article.

I m not one to over eulogise old cars but that is lovely, and will still go very nicely.
Wrong, from my experience. The further up the food chain the buyers are, and the more specific the offering, the more pedantic buyers become.

Anyone can see they're not alloy wheels. The mis-spelling of Coombs is on the seller, but the journos should check this before publication. You'd laugh at a Mercedes AGM, BMW N3 or Audi B4, wouldn't you?

Or do you drive a Robin Reliant?

Firebobby

963 posts

64 months

Saturday
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A very lovely Q car. So glad it's on HS8's too rather than Weber's. Looks so much authentic that way.

Slowlygettingit

892 posts

66 months

Saturday
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Never really got cars from before my time but this is one of a handful of cars that smash that internal barrier.

Absolutely lovely and to me far more desirable than most e types.
Would have one in a heartbeat.and seems sensibly priced for it having the Coombes mods etc compared to others I’ve seen.

Glitzy Mitzy

1,390 posts

53 months

Saturday
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Augustus Windsock said:
And so the story goes, the Jaguar driven by Morse in the TV series started life as a Daimler V8 250 (and yes I know in the books he drove a Lancia, model not revealed)
I thought Morse initially drove a Lancia Aurelia, although can't swear to it as it's years since I've read the books. Book Morse did, however, come into possession of Telly Morse's Jaguar at some point; the Thaw series started circa 1987 and Dexter continued writing until 1999-ish, so there was a significant crossover period. I suspect that the reason was the television programme becoming the 'master' variant of Morse and the books following on, when it had started the other way round.

Incidentally, Telly Morse is superior. The books are fair to middling.

One could also make the case for the Jag being a product of time passing. Back in the seventies, when the first Morse book came out, the small Jag was the car of the jobbing crook or facsimile Rachman; such a car wouldn't have fitted Morse's image at all -- it'd be the equivalent of him, were he alive today, driving a drug-dealer-minicab type BMW with shouty-bang-bang exhaust pipes and 3D number plates. The Lancia, however, would have been a solidly weirdo option, so fine.

In the eighties, however, Jag's image changed and the small one seemed almost fitting for the solidly weirdo Morse as a Euro-fetishizing, Little Englander, vaguely left-wing liberal Labour Tory conservative grumpy old man with a twinkle in his eye, chip on his shoulder and manic-depressive streak.

Black S2K

1,831 posts

274 months

Saturday
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HeMightBeBanned said:
Turbobanana said:
Where to begin...

"Coombes"

"Competition-spec alloy wheels"
Non-aficionados might not spot the Coombes spelling error, but it's clear to see that those are wire wheels not alloys.

Sack the sub-editor, Pistonheads.
I think the sub-ed might be Sniff Petrol. Does it have an electric weasel too?

JaguarsportXJR

237 posts

168 months

Saturday
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Not a mkII, but my 3.4 S Type.

Parked outside the 1960s post office at the Black Country Living Museum, it wasn't long before the 1960s rozzers rocked up.

Black S2K

1,831 posts

274 months

Saturday
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Glitzy Mitzy said:
Augustus Windsock said:
And so the story goes, the Jaguar driven by Morse in the TV series started life as a Daimler V8 250 (and yes I know in the books he drove a Lancia, model not revealed)
I thought Morse initially drove a Lancia Aurelia, although can't swear to it as it's years since I've read the books. Book Morse did, however, come into possession of Telly Morse's Jaguar at some point; the Thaw series started circa 1987 and Dexter continued writing until 1999-ish, so there was a significant crossover period. I suspect that the reason was the television programme becoming the 'master' variant of Morse and the books following on, when it had started the other way round.

Incidentally, Telly Morse is superior. The books are fair to middling.

One could also make the case for the Jag being a product of time passing. Back in the seventies, when the first Morse book came out, the small Jag was the car of the jobbing crook or facsimile Rachman; such a car wouldn't have fitted Morse's image at all -- it'd be the equivalent of him, were he alive today, driving a drug-dealer-minicab type BMW with shouty-bang-bang exhaust pipes and 3D number plates. The Lancia, however, would have been a solidly weirdo option, so fine.

In the eighties, however, Jag's image changed and the small one seemed almost fitting for the solidly weirdo Morse as a Euro-fetishizing, Little Englander, vaguely left-wing liberal Labour Tory conservative grumpy old man with a twinkle in his eye, chip on his shoulder and manic-depressive streak.
Shut it, you slaaag or I'll come round & spin yer drum...

The Sweeney to Morse was a bit of a paradigm shift.

I remember how these went from cruelly abused (more so the S-type & 340) in the 1970s to the 1980s over-restoration and stupid prices. Who can forget the Vicarage "resto-mods" prior to the last massive crash? They seem a bit forgotten and the TMFM-brigade are ruining other stuff prior to the Greater Depression. Very rare to see one these days.

An Aurelia would fit the Morse image better the way that the great John Thaw portrayed it. But it's been ages since I saw a Berlina, so a 250 would be easier to acquire and an Aurelia GT too gauche. And a 250'd be dirt cheap...despite the excellent engine compared to the 240.

In many ways, these were peak Jaguar and were still loved alongside the XJ6 by aficionados in its awkward middle-age period.

It's probably true that the P6B was a superior car in many ways (both were cramped in the rear due to the thick seats) but the Jaguar has real old-England charm.

I mean, just LOOK at it....



richinlondon

847 posts

147 months

Saturday
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Perfect, adored these since the 80s when I was a child. The cool kinds had countach and testarossa posters, I had a poster of one of these! Will own one some day as I’m close to being able to justify the ‘old man’ tag my wife gives them. 😃

richinlondon

847 posts

147 months

Saturday
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JaguarsportXJR said:


Not a mkII, but my 3.4 S Type.

Parked outside the 1960s post office at the Black Country Living Museum, it wasn't long before the 1960s rozzers rocked up.
Beautiful, supposedly a better drive due to the IRS?