RE: Twisted Automotive bests JLR in court - again
RE: Twisted Automotive bests JLR in court - again
Tuesday 2nd April 2019

Twisted Automotive bests JLR in court - again

The Court of Appeal has thrown out JLR's trademark case against the Thirsk-based tuner



Jaguar Land Rover has enjoyed notable success in court recently. Last month it finally won a legal ruling in China against Jiangling Motor Holding for its flagrant pinching of the Range Rover Evoque's design in 2014. So brazenly similar was the first gen Landwind X7 that the case would have been open and shut in virtually any other territory - but it is notoriously hard for a western firm to find favour in a Chinese court, making the decision a significant victory for JLR's legal team.

At home though, there seems to have been much tripping over its own shoe laces. JLR's long-running case against Twisted Automobile has more than a whiff of bristling animosity about it. At the centre of the three-year legal battle was Twisted's decision to use the name 'LR Motors' for its Defender-filled showroom in Thirsk - a nod-and-a-wink name if ever there was one, but not, crucially, in direct contravention of an established trademark when it was registered in 2015.


JLR cried foul regardless but in May last year the Intellectual Property Court found in Twisted's favour. Undeterred, JLR appealed the case to the High Court - yet was given short shrift at the resultant hearing, Mrs Justice Rose noting: "The undisputed evidence was that Jaguar Land Rover has never used the initials 'LR' as a sign for its goods in this country." Which sounds like a gavel-banging, 'case closed' decision to us.

Not to JLR though, which took its argument to the Court of Appeal last month, where it was promptly rejected on the basis that it was attempting to re-argue the same case without providing any new factual grounds for doing so. Charles Fawcett, Twisted Automotive's founder and CEO, has subsequently claimed a victory against 'bullying tactics' and frankly it's rather easy to side with 'David' when 'Goliath' - via design boss Gerry McGovern - has previously vowed to put third party modifiers 'out of business'.

No matter where you stand on the arrangement of capital letters in a sign - or, indeed, the work of tuners in general - we're going to go out on a limb and say that the world would be a duller and less interesting place without them in it. JLR may have a dim view of those who take an existing product and 'put a little spoiler on it or whatever' (as McGovern dismissively put it) but Twisted, among many others, has repeatedly proven the business case for doing so by selling its efforts to satisfied customers. Beating them in the marketplace - as the manufacturer has specifically set out to do with SVO - is one thing. Beating them in court, as JLR has found to its cost, is quite another.


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robertdon777

Original Poster:

180 posts

83 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Good luck to Twisted


Can't see them get a good deal on a Batch of the new ones though!

r.g.

606 posts

232 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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I can't see JLR's logic here. Twisted are effectively promoting the JLR brand with their interpretation of the Defender yet they seem hell bent on stamping them out.

They should have done the complete opposite and bought Twisted and had them on board as the nich/perfomance arm of the brand much like Mercedes did with AMG.

V8mate

45,899 posts

209 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Article said:
Which sounds like a gavel-banging, 'case closed' decision to us.
Gavels aren't used in English courts. Never have been.

#justsayin

Fire99

9,863 posts

249 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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r.g. said:
I can't see JLR's logic here. Twisted are effectively promoting the JLR brand with their interpretation of the Defender yet they seem hell bent on stamping them out.

They should have done the complete opposite and bought Twisted and had them on board as the nich/perfomance arm of the brand much like Mercedes did with AMG.
yes I think JLR have scored a significant own-goal here. Also they're not exactly brimming with disposable income at the moment, so surely an external company that effectively brings free advertising to the JLR brand, is a plus.

I'm just blowing smoke here but perhaps the profit margins on SVO models are quite (ok, very) large and JLR want to profit as much from it as possible. Either way, JLR have taken on 'David' and ended up with one sizeable rock from a sling-shot, right in the eye hole.

thecremeegg

2,067 posts

223 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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r.g. said:
I can't see JLR's logic here. Twisted are effectively promoting the JLR brand with their interpretation of the Defender yet they seem hell bent on stamping them out.

They should have done the complete opposite and bought Twisted and had them on board as the nich/perfomance arm of the brand much like Mercedes did with AMG.
Far too sensible!

Mattster67

8 posts

126 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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JLR didn't mind selling twisted a boat load of its Defenders!


JeremyBearimy

192 posts

248 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Well done twisted, having read McGoverns statement of: "It’s easy to take a product that’s already been created and put a little spoiler on it or whatever, but I’d like to see them design their own car. We see them taking our property and make a bit more profit,”
Land Rover make a bit of money on the product, twisted make a bit of money on the accessories. Everyones happy.

JLR also missing the fact tuners like twisted bring and encourage huge brand loyalty to the marque. McGovern seems to be missing which manufacturer he works for, its thrived on brand loyalty for years. There are few marques that have the loyalty and love that Land Rover has, it hasn't grown just from walking into a showroom and splashing the cash on a new one.

Jimbo89

141 posts

164 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Gerry McGovern is whats wrong with JLR, man is a tit.

JD

3,072 posts

248 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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"It’s easy to take a product that’s already been created and put a little spoiler on it or whatever, but I’d like to see them design their own car“

I guess it might be slightly less ironic, if it wasn’t for the fact that the Land Rover existed before he was even born.


Terminator X

18,929 posts

224 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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V8mate said:
Article said:
Which sounds like a gavel-banging, 'case closed' decision to us.
Gavels aren't used in English courts. Never have been.

#justsayin
Oh dear …



TX.

Krikkit

27,722 posts

201 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Rather than specifically targeting Twisted, this sounds more like they wanted to protect the "LR" moniker instead.

Vocht

1,634 posts

184 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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As much as I side with Twisted on this, is it wise for them to anger the big bad wolf that is JLR? Long term it can't be beneficial to for Twisted to be on JLR's blacklist. Sometimes it's better to humour someone to keep them happy even if they're acting like a cock for the sake of retaining a business relationship or at least dialogue.

Ares

11,214 posts

140 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Reminds me of the time McDonalds took McDoners kebab shop to court in Leeds. The guy lost having seemingly based most of his defence on the movie 'Coming to America'...so changed the name to 'McDonerKing.

V8mate

45,899 posts

209 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Terminator X said:
V8mate said:
Article said:
Which sounds like a gavel-banging, 'case closed' decision to us.
Gavels aren't used in English courts. Never have been.

#justsayin
Oh dear …



TX.
You are truly an exemplar for the phrase: 'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt', Mr T.

blueg33

43,716 posts

244 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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V8mate said:
Terminator X said:
V8mate said:
Article said:
Which sounds like a gavel-banging, 'case closed' decision to us.
Gavels aren't used in English courts. Never have been.

#justsayin
Oh dear …



TX.
You are truly an exemplar for the phrase: 'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt', Mr T.
There is of course another way to interpret Mr T's post. If one choses that way, you look more of a fool. smile

sparkyhx

4,200 posts

224 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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"It’s easy to take a product that’s already been created and put a little spoiler on it or whatever, but I’d like to see them design their own car“

So why don't they do it themselves?

romac

608 posts

166 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Fire99 said:
r.g. said:
I can't see JLR's logic here. Twisted are effectively promoting the JLR brand with their interpretation of the Defender yet they seem hell bent on stamping them out.

They should have done the complete opposite and bought Twisted and had them on board as the nich/perfomance arm of the brand much like Mercedes did with AMG.
yes I think JLR have scored a significant own-goal here. Also they're not exactly brimming with disposable income at the moment, so surely an external company that effectively brings free advertising to the JLR brand, is a plus.

I'm just blowing smoke here but perhaps the profit margins on SVO models are quite (ok, very) large and JLR want to profit as much from it as possible. Either way, JLR have taken on 'David' and ended up with one sizeable rock from a sling-shot, right in the eye hole.
Forehead actually, but yeah, that!

Vocht said:
As much as I side with Twisted on this, is it wise for them to anger the big bad wolf that is JLR? Long term it can't be beneficial to for Twisted to be on JLR's blacklist. Sometimes it's better to humour someone to keep them happy even if they're acting like a cock for the sake of retaining a business relationship or at least dialogue.
And that!

Edited by romac on Tuesday 2nd April 17:25

Terminator X

18,929 posts

224 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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blueg33 said:
V8mate said:
Terminator X said:
V8mate said:
Article said:
Which sounds like a gavel-banging, 'case closed' decision to us.
Gavels aren't used in English courts. Never have been.

#justsayin
Oh dear …



TX.
You are truly an exemplar for the phrase: 'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt', Mr T.
There is of course another way to interpret Mr T's post. If one choses that way, you look more of a fool. smile
Hook, line …



My work here is done.

TX.

dunnoreally

1,356 posts

128 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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To those who aren't really into this kind of thing: JLR doesn't actually care about Twisted in particular. JLR just want to make sure that the abbreviation "LR" as regards cars is under their control so they can win on more important matters like the Chinese stuff also in the article. Their pushing this one stops the lawyer for Knockoff and Sons from saying "How can you suggest my client is trying to deceive people by calling it the LR3 when Twisted have run LR Garages with impunity for years."

vikingaero

12,011 posts

189 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Follow the money for the real winner - the legal teams for both sides and the legal system.