RE: Travelling without moving: Audi Sport Quattro SWB
RE: Travelling without moving: Audi Sport Quattro SWB
Monday 1st December

Travelling without moving: Audi Sport Quattro SWB

Still time to buy famed Group B special before our EuroMillions ticket comes up trumps...


You wait for buses, two come at once. The Sport Quattro is a rare old bird by any measure; fewer than 200 ever found customers, and many fewer than that are in the UK. We hadn’t seen one in yonks before a terrific red-coloured example turned up in the summer. The vendor wanted £625k for it, and on the basis of it no longer being for sale, presumably found someone prepared to pay it.

This one, in Alpine White, might be even better. Or at the very least, it is another homologated bus to gawp at in wonder. The asking price is much the same, and that’s appropriate because it has done virtually the same miles and appears to be in equally admirable condition. Probably that has something to do with the very small amount of miles that have been racked up since it was acquired in 2011. 

We can attribute its modest amount of use to pride of place in Jay Kay’s sprawling car collection. The MOT record suggests that the Sport Quattro has not been out and about much in the last few years, although it was returned to road legal status last month and the dealer charged with selling it assures us that it has been regularly maintained in the meantime. 

Needless to say, it looks the business. The world is not short of cars that would look better with some extraneous length removed from the wheelbase, but few surely would benefit quite like the Quattro did. Its maker, of course, was seeking performance gains on world rally stages - yet the stylistic effect, grafted onto a more bluff front end, was equally transformational for the road version. No wonder it is considered a touchstone of Audi design even 40 years later. 

Weight reduction was obsessive, with Kevlar used for the wings, roof and front apron – all of which remain intact on this example. Under the bonnet, you get the legendary 2,133cc five-cylinder turbocharged engine, complete with its advanced 20-valve DOHC head and the 306hp it needed for a sub-5-second 0-62mph time. Sufficient for it to still qualify as fast today; rocket-like for 1985, when it was delivered to its first owner in Switzerland. 

There it remained until the late ‘90s, when it was apparently acquired by a former Audi rally co-driver. Which is who Jay Kay acquired it from. As previous ownership histories go, it’s a notable one - but really it’s about the pugnacious brilliance of the SWB and its almost peerless rally kudos. Is there much chance of the mileage increasing post-sale? Who knows, although the car’s value as an investment is hard to deny. Let’s just hope the next owner has a little more imagination than that...


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BigChiefmuffinAgain

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1,524 posts

118 months

Monday 1st December
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So back in the day ( we're talking last century ) my father had a small collection of group B and rally cars. In those days, you could knock a 0 off and, if you were lucky, divide by two when it came to the price of these things. They weren't popular other than to a few more dedicated oddballs....

So he ended up with an RS 200, an S4 Stradale and an 037 amongst others. He went to try one of these as was thinking of buying one. And, as said, they really were not so much then. He drove it but didn't like it. For road use ( which was all he was interested in - he wasn't racing or rallying them ), he thought the mid-engine configuration of the others was far better when it came to a driving experience.

Others will doubtless feel otherwise....

RGambo

876 posts

189 months

Monday 1st December
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My father had a white one, just like the one shown. he paid £35k for it! I was lucky enough to drive it on a few occasions, It was an acquired taste for sure. I loved it, but I think part of that was because it was what it was ( if that makes sense) I haven't been lucky enough to drive any of the other group B car, so I can't compare. All i say is a sport with 500+bhp in the forest must have been a right handful!!
Pretty sure my fathers went to Belgium.

nismo48

5,921 posts

227 months

Monday 1st December
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A true rally legend at a very special price wink

griffdude

1,888 posts

268 months

Monday 1st December
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A chap in the village where I grew up was high up in VAG & drove a green one. I remember it spinning all 4 wheels on a snowy morning whilst I was walking to the school bus (which didn t show up).
16 years later I had a black MB Quattro.

rossub

5,389 posts

210 months

Monday 1st December
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Do you have to pay extra to have the rusty bolt in the engine bay replaced?

Twinair

978 posts

162 months

Monday 1st December
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Oooooof….!

soxboy

7,143 posts

239 months

Monday 1st December
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Previously owned by Phil Short - he lives near me and I used to see this being driven round by him.

MrHooky

230 posts

162 months

Monday 1st December
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Pretty sure Harry M said in one of his recent videos (Iconic presale) that he has asked Jay Kay to sell him this. Perfect timing, especially off the back of selling his Jag and Lamborghini!

GreatScott2016

2,108 posts

108 months

Monday 1st December
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Lovely, no question, but ouch, what a price. I don’t see the value myself, but I’m not a connoisseur. No doubt a lovely addition though for someone’s collection.

GTRene

20,412 posts

244 months

Monday 1st December
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rossub said:
Do you have to pay extra to have the rusty bolt in the engine bay replaced?
of course I had to look that up...

That is indeed something you would replace the first thing before selling, the rest look good under there, but that at least one bolt + ring which hold that carbon inlet thing is so rusty, strange, or maybe some cleaning water was a bit holdup there, but still.

It like a lovely lady smiles to you and has one tooth missing at the front or one of such rot


Dapster

8,538 posts

200 months

Tuesday 2nd December
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What's great about the Sport Quattro is just how well developed it is as a road car - beautifully trimmed and finished and with serious road manners. The S4 Stradale and 205 T16 by all accounts are not great as road cars despite being far more successful as competition cars. The Sport Quattro is lottery win definite for me

Jon_S_Rally

4,174 posts

108 months

Tuesday 2nd December
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Perhaps I'm a bit weird, as I actually prefer the look of the longer wheelbase cars in some respects, especially the later cars. That said, an early SWB, before they added all the aero bits, is still a lovely looking thing.

Mega money, and I can think of a long, long, long list of cars I would buy before one of these, but I'm sure someone will get a lot of joy from it.

Motormouth88

680 posts

80 months

Tuesday 2nd December
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Unbelievably ugly…I know it has heaps of pedigree and the new owner will buy it due to this but my god, I could never!

RabidGranny

2,335 posts

158 months

Tuesday 2nd December
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Yeah there are a few around here with those cars, This one seems to get wheeled out during the summer to the local hillclimbs etc

J4CKO

45,333 posts

220 months

Tuesday 2nd December
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I am about 610 grand short, so will have to get an old TTRS with a loud exhaust instead for some 5 cylinder noises.

History, kudos, rarity aside, wonder how they would drive respectively ?

BigChiefmuffinAgain

Original Poster:

1,524 posts

118 months

Tuesday 2nd December
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Dapster said:
What's great about the Sport Quattro is just how well developed it is as a road car - beautifully trimmed and finished and with serious road manners. The S4 Stradale and 205 T16 by all accounts are not great as road cars despite being far more successful as competition cars. The Sport Quattro is lottery win definite for me
Actually, the road going version of the S4 Stradale was pretty refined. Nice Alacantra interior, a/c - Lancia struggled to sell the Stratos and 037 as road going cars because they were a bit crude ( especially the Stratos ) and so tried to up its game a bit with the S4. Still didn't sell well mind you....

WPA

13,032 posts

134 months

Tuesday 2nd December
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Lovely car but my god they are getting expensive

Dapster

8,538 posts

200 months

Tuesday 2nd December
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Dapster said:
What's great about the Sport Quattro is just how well developed it is as a road car - beautifully trimmed and finished and with serious road manners. The S4 Stradale and 205 T16 by all accounts are not great as road cars despite being far more successful as competition cars. The Sport Quattro is lottery win definite for me
Actually, the road going version of the S4 Stradale was pretty refined. Nice Alacantra interior, a/c - Lancia struggled to sell the Stratos and 037 as road going cars because they were a bit crude ( especially the Stratos ) and so tried to up its game a bit with the S4. Still didn't sell well mind you....
The S4 looks well finished and may be quite refined but I understood has the reputation of being quite laggy, recalcitrant at low revs and rather challenging on the limit. The Sport on the other hand - 80s lagtastic, yes, but lots of low down grunt and very driveable even for a non-Röhrl. I'm sure you've all seen Harrys review - he loved it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SRTehcxjIg&t=...



Edited by Dapster on Tuesday 2nd December 11:56

328wagon

37 posts

130 months

Tuesday 2nd December
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I wouldn't kick it out of the garage but I've never 'got' the Sport Quattro. Looks hideous, the front overhang is in the next county and the short wheelbase makes it look like a cut 'n' shut. This is just the opinion of one man though and doubtless everyone else will feel differently 🤣

Dapster

8,538 posts

200 months

Tuesday 2nd December
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328wagon said:
I wouldn't kick it out of the garage but I've never 'got' the Sport Quattro. Looks hideous, the front overhang is in the next county and the short wheelbase makes it look like a cut 'n' shut. This is just the opinion of one man though and doubtless everyone else will feel differently ?
The proportions are ridiculous because it really is a cut 'n shut. If it were designed and launched like that, it would have been laughed off the stage. As it is, the history behind the conversion makes it iconic - the original car and the backstory. Like the wings of an Evo 2 Merc 190 or E30 M3, its the looks driven by the needs of competition that makes it so appealing.

If you were to design a car that short, the wheels would need to be 2 feet further apart!



Edited by Dapster on Tuesday 2nd December 14:17