RE: Denza gunning for 'ring record with 2,000hp Z
RE: Denza gunning for 'ring record with 2,000hp Z
Tuesday 14th July

Denza gunning for 'ring record with 2,000hp Z

Not content with lording it over FOS, new Denza Z Di-Aero P2000+ will target Porsche's EV lap record


Assuming you went to FOS last week, you’ll know how seriously BYD (and the Denza and Yangwang brands contained within) takes its growing presence in the UK, as you can’t have failed to notice its centrally located giant stand. But even if you didn’t attend, you’ll have doubtless seen all the surrounding attention given to the new Denza Z, a tri-motor 1,605hp EV that starts at £142,900 and is fully intended to make people think twice about forking out upwards of £199k for a Porsche 911 Turbo S. 

Fat chance of that, you might say - and you’re probably not wrong based on our first go. But at any rate, Denza is laser focused at becoming a larger part of the enthusiast echo chamber in Europe (it is no accident that the Z is accompanied by a Defender-rivalling hybrid SUV either), and what better way to elbow some space in the conversation than by setting an impressive benchmark time on the Nürburgring Nordschleife? 

We say ‘impressive’ - there is already a ‘Racing’ version of the Denza Z that would doubtless provide you with a highly competitive lap time. But a Chinese manufacturer doesn’t turn up anywhere simply to compete, it wants to dominate. Hence the ‘Special Edition’ Z concept that appeared at FOS, but was overshadowed by the variants that Denza made available to drive. Our spy snapper has sourced another name for it in the meantime: the Z Di-Aero P2000+. 

Ostensibly, and no doubt to satisfy the obligations of calling itself a ‘production car’, you can expect customer versions of the Special Edition to eventually appear - but its real purpose, and the one it was presumably snapped prepping for, is to deposit egg on Porsche’s corporate face by way of the Taycan Turbo GT with Manthey Kit’s 6:55.533 ‘ring record. Which itself was a response to the 7:04.957 lap set by the Xiaomi SU7 Ultra with Track Package

Or at least that’s what we assume the downforce-generating aero and fully carbon fibre body is all about. Given it will officially sit in the battery-powered ‘Super sports cars’ category, overcoming the Taycan’s time would also see it unseat the Yangwang U9 Xtreme - a car you’d imagine has helped with Denza’s track development. It seems inconceivable that the outright sports car record would be targeted (officially, this remains the 6:43.300 recorded by the Manthey’d 911 GT2 back in 2021), although perhaps you wouldn’t risk your mortgage on that bet. 

Either way, expect to read about a sub-7-minute time long before the summer ends. And then we’ll presumably learn how much a retail version of the Z Di-Aero P2000+ will eventually cost. On the basis that the Racing version currently starts at £172,900, and the Special Edition will be spectacularly low volume, you’d imagine there’s every chance it will eclipse the £200,500 price of a new 911 GT3 S/C. Now if only Denza could make people want one to the same extent...


Image credit | Baldauf

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Noe

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Love driving. Love cars. This just dull Who cares

Wab1974uk

1,341 posts

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Noe said:
Love driving. Love cars. This just dull Who cares
How I now feel about the conveyor belt of Hypercars & Hyper-EV's,

J4CKO

46,581 posts

227 months

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Noe said:
Love driving. Love cars. This just dull Who cares
I am sure a passenger ride with 2000 bhp might not feel all that dull.

Frimley111R

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261 months

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They got there just when the lap party time was over and everyone was going home...

ManyMotors

1,082 posts

125 months

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I cheer BYD/Denza and wish them well. The Chinese are making things that are less expensive and technically superior. The West's very bad answer seems to be "Let's ignore them."

trails

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Noe said:
Love driving. Love cars. This just dull Who cares
So you have had a go then...thats pretty cool.

DaveyBoyWonder

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ManyMotors said:
The West's very bad answer seems to be "Let's ignore them."
Is it?

Jte3397

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Slight rip offs of many cars in there. Reminds me of some of the kitted Model S and Model 3s I've seen about. My imaginary money would be heading for a Taycan Turbo GT, Renault 5 Turbo 3E (different car I know) or a dedicated build of something older.

VladD

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We obviously have the Formula E and Extreme E racing series already, so I wonder how long it will be before the FiA will launch an endurance racing series for these super powerful electric GT cars. It would surely make them more appealing and drive the technology forward even faster.

nismo48

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Noe said:
Love driving. Love cars. This just dull Who cares
Impressive thing and if it is the future of EV racing then its a positive start

fooman

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I wonder why they chose to promote Denza as the brand name in the UK rather than Yangwang.

Debaser

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It’s very cool, though it’s a pity you have to sit too high.

ManyMotors

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DaveyBoyWonder said:
Is it?
If you're asking whether the answer is bad: of course it is bad - ignoring something won't make it go away.

If you're asking whether the Chinese are being ignored, you could have a point. VW might be giving up and making Chinese vehicles in German factories - that's not ignoring them. But that still ignores VW's inability to compete.

TheDrownedApe

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Awesome, pushing boundaries with any fuel should be congratulated. Bring on the ring!

And bring on the sad, weary, and so last millennium, "boring white goods" PH commentary.

Edited by TheDrownedApe on Tuesday 14th July 18:42

spikyone

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fooman said:
I wonder why they chose to promote Denza as the brand name in the UK rather than Yangwang.
Maybe because Yangwang sounds like an STD. Or what you might end up with as a result of that STD.

Can't get excited about this. The power output war was faintly ridiculous when it was ICE cars putting out 700bhp, the EV stuff is daft. The road version weighs 2250kg, which is far too much for a sports/supercar. It looks completely generic too.

Curtis E Buss

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They could cut the ring time in half and offer it for 20k and I still wouldn't buy one.

Water Fairy

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Wab1974uk said:
Noe said:
Love driving. Love cars. This just dull Who cares
How I now feel about the conveyor belt of Hypercars & Hyper-EV's,
This 100%

People trying to defend this stuff should realize that whilst it would obviously be thrilling to have a go, so is a rollercoaster.


_Rodders_

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DaveyBoyWonder said:
ManyMotors said:
The West's very bad answer seems to be "Let's ignore them."
Is it?
It is in the US. They're metaphorically walking round whistling with their fingers in their ears.

We seem to be doing a lot better over here in Europe.

FestivAli

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If a tree falls in a forest and there is no one around does anybody care?

Make normal cars interesting again.

kevinon

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While not in the market for any expensive cars, and not for EVs, the fact that a Chinese company has the smarts to be so audacious is fascinating.

Like the VW W12 engine was kinda daft and reckless. But still good.

Been reading about axial motors elsewhere on PH. A product of Nikola Tesla's brilliant mind, looks like they are propagating from the Ferrari - level to the AMG level, and who knows, maybe down to 'everyman' level. IIUC more power, lower weight; especially good for EVs / hybrids.

Sometimes the tribal stuff can obscure some interesting developments. IMHO.