Whoops - E46 Stranded in France - Getting it Back Home
Whoops - E46 Stranded in France - Getting it Back Home
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Spec_P

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11 posts

1 month

Sunday 23rd August
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Hi all,

Long time lurker here. I remember doing a bit of posting over twenty years ago now, but that account is lost to the mists of time!

Anyway, I'm back, and obviously in need of advice from the PH hive mind.

Long story short, my '03 E46 325i Touring's auxiliary drive belt failed longitudinally on the Autoroute coming back from my summer holidays on Friday. The battery warning light illuminated, shortly before the temp gauge started rising. Unfortunately there wasn't a continuous hard shoulder, so I had to drive for 30-60s before I could stop safely. By that time the gauge was illuminated in the red, and there was steam coming from the bonnet.

Luckily the recovery services were quickly on the scene and me, the OH, and car were safety deposited by a jovial E46 owning recovery operator. Many calls to Britannia Rescue's outsourced European operations and we were fixed with a hotel and flights back to blighty.

The E46 remains in a garage compound on the outskirts of Lyon. It is of course, the French summer holiday seasons, so obviously nobody is interested in doing any fixing of said vehicle for a few months.

My European Recovery policy with BR states that repatriation of the vehicle should happen in these circumstances. However, as is standard with these policies, they reserve the right not to repatriate if the cost of doing so is more than the Glass's guide value. They want 10 working days to decide whether they will bring it back, I'm a bit worried it will be a no. Potentially Leaving me in the situation of the car getting scrapped, or me having to find a trustworthy specialist over there to fix it.

It's a decent car (M-Sport, manual) with a significant amount of work done over the last few years by the previous owner. Last month I spent a few k on the bodywork, which may well be a decision I live to regret biggrin. So it would be a shame for it to end up in a French breakers yard.

It had a service in June, and I'm kicking myself a little as I was slightly nervous about the belts, as I knew that was the one thing that would be catastrophic and I didn't have any record of replacement - meant to ask the mechanic to take a proper look. Oh well.

So, thoughts welcome: How f****ed is my engine likely to be? I understand M54's don't like overheating. Is the block or head gasket going to be an issue?

Has anyone had any experience negotiating with recovery operators for reparation with a similar circumstances?

Should I give up and buy something that isn't 20+ years old before motoring in the continent again?

brillomaster

1,861 posts

199 months

Sunday 23rd August
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How far from Dover do you live? And do you have a car capable of towing another car?

If the answers are 'not too far' and 'yes' then id consider hiring a trailer and repatriating it myself.

As for the engine, id hope it'd be ok with a new belt on. Perhaps chuck a new water pump on at the same time if it hasn't already been done.

Unreal

10,570 posts

54 months

Sunday 23rd August
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Spec_P said:
Hi all,

Long time lurker here. I remember doing a bit of posting over twenty years ago now, but that account is lost to the mists of time!

Anyway, I'm back, and obviously in need of advice from the PH hive mind.

Long story short, my '03 E46 325i Touring's auxiliary drive belt failed longitudinally on the Autoroute coming back from my summer holidays on Friday. The battery warning light illuminated, shortly before the temp gauge started rising. Unfortunately there wasn't a continuous hard shoulder, so I had to drive for 30-60s before I could stop safely. By that time the gauge was illuminated in the red, and there was steam coming from the bonnet.

Luckily the recovery services were quickly on the scene and me, the OH, and car were safety deposited by a jovial E46 owning recovery operator. Many calls to Britannia Rescue's outsourced European operations and we were fixed with a hotel and flights back to blighty.

The E46 remains in a garage compound on the outskirts of Lyon. It is of course, the French summer holiday seasons, so obviously nobody is interested in doing any fixing of said vehicle for a few months.

My European Recovery policy with BR states that repatriation of the vehicle should happen in these circumstances. However, as is standard with these policies, they reserve the right not to repatriate if the cost of doing so is more than the Glass's guide value. They want 10 working days to decide whether they will bring it back, I'm a bit worried it will be a no. Potentially Leaving me in the situation of the car getting scrapped, or me having to find a trustworthy specialist over there to fix it.

It's a decent car (M-Sport, manual) with a significant amount of work done over the last few years by the previous owner. Last month I spent a few k on the bodywork, which may well be a decision I live to regret biggrin. So it would be a shame for it to end up in a French breakers yard.

It had a service in June, and I'm kicking myself a little as I was slightly nervous about the belts, as I knew that was the one thing that would be catastrophic and I didn't have any record of replacement - meant to ask the mechanic to take a proper look. Oh well.

So, thoughts welcome: How f****ed is my engine likely to be? I understand M54's don't like overheating. Is the block or head gasket going to be an issue?

Has anyone had any experience negotiating with recovery operators for reparation with a similar circumstances?

Should I give up and buy something that isn't 20+ years old before motoring in the continent again?
Bad luck.

What's the issue with waiting for a decision?

An accurate diagnosis is impossible without an inspection

Why not ask the garage that are holding it? Sounds like the recovery company will be doing that anyway in order to assess the value.

siovey

1,943 posts

167 months

Sunday 23rd August
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Hire a trailer and get it back yourself if they won't do it.
That engine is allegedly bombproof (so I was led to believe before buying my old 330) but the cooling system is fragile and defo needs preventative maintenance.
Not sure what happens if that fails and the engine gets too hot though...scratchchin
If it was me, I'd get it trailered back here before condemning it to a French breakers yard...
Good luck... thumbup

Heaveho

7,363 posts

203 months

Sunday 23rd August
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I'd be trying to rent or borrow a vehicle capable of towing a trailer with the car on it and getting it back on my own terms. It's exactly this type of scenario you're describing that made me stop bothering with paying for European breakdown cover. If I break down abroad, I don't want a bunch of muppets I'd never authorise under normal circumstances working on my car. I would want it repatriated and fixed at a place of my choosing. Recovery services insist on giving someone over there the opportunity to repair it, that's not for me.

E34-3.2

1,183 posts

108 months

Sunday 23rd August
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Hello OP,

Got a very similar issue than you last year in August with my e39. A bit further up the mountains near Lyon. No one wanted to look at the car as it was August and most garages were fully booked or closed. The recovery driver told the insurance that the car could not be repaired in France for a while and that he wasn't sure what was wrong other than overheating and one garage thought it was head gasket (without looking at it).

The insurance asked me for a quote from one of my local garages. we quoted for the strict minimum as I knew it wasn't a head gasket. I got my car back one month later. I just had a leak in the radiator.

If you want your car back, make sure to get a low quote in the uk.

Well, was in france a few days ago and the e39 did not disappoint again... radiator fan failed. Found an awesome local garage. I had little time so they ordered the part for the next day. wrong part delivered! the mechanic decided to weld the old one to the engine (just a few points) so it was running continuously. I Managed another 1000kms without any issue. might keep it that way for the next few months.

I do around 2000kms in France every year with that car. it only breaks down in august when I drive with my family...

Spec_P

Original Poster:

11 posts

1 month

Sunday 23rd August
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brillomaster said:
How far from Dover do you live? And do you have a car capable of towing another car?

If the answers are 'not too far' and 'yes' then id consider hiring a trailer and repatriating it myself.

As for the engine, id hope it'd be ok with a new belt on. Perhaps chuck a new water pump on at the same time if it hasn't already been done.
"Not too far", and "no" sadly. Unless I can incentivise a mate with a tour of the local vineyards thrown in...

Unreal said:
What's the issue with waiting for a decision?

An accurate diagnosis is impossible without an inspection

Why not ask the garage that are holding it? Sounds like the recovery company will be doing that anyway in order to assess the value.
Yes, 100%, crossing my fingers and waiting for the decision. The garage said they can't look at it for 4-weeks, they have a carpark full of other cars on the list once they get back from holidays! I guess I'm preparing for the worst

Siovey said:
Hire a trailer and get it back yourself if they won't do it.
That engine is allegedly bombproof (so I was led to believe before buying my old 330) but the cooling system is fragile and defo needs preventative maintenance.
Not sure what happens if that fails and the engine gets too hot though...scratchchin
If it was me, I'd get it trailered back here before condemning it to a French breakers yard...
Good luck... thumbup
Thanks, I've heard they're bombproof until they overheat!

E34-3.2 said:
Got a very similar issue than you last year in August with my e39. A bit further up the mountains near Lyon. No one wanted to look at the car as it was August and most garages were fully booked or closed. The recovery driver told the insurance that the car could not be repaired in France for a while and that he wasn't sure what was wrong other than overheating and one garage thought it was head gasket (without looking at it).

The insurance asked me for a quote from one of my local garages. we quoted for the strict minimum as I knew it wasn't a head gasket. I got my car back one month later. I just had a leak in the radiator.

If you want your car back, make sure to get a low quote in the uk.

Well, was in france a few days ago and the e39 did not disappoint again... radiator fan failed. Found an awesome local garage. I had little time so they ordered the part for the next day. wrong part delivered! the mechanic decided to weld the old one to the engine (just a few points) so it was running continuously. I Managed another 1000kms without any issue. might keep it that way for the next few months.

I do around 2000kms in France every year with that car. it only breaks down in august when I drive with my family...
Interesting - the BR policy document implies the valuation is just done off the book value, and doesn't deduct the cost of getting it fixed. Good to know should it come to that...

Fleckers

2,880 posts

230 months

Monday 24th August
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Defo hire a van with a tow bar and permission to go to France or have a mate with something that can tow a car and trailer
hire a car trailer from somewhere else
go and get it back

SS427 Camaro

8,466 posts

199 months

Tuesday 25th August
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Not a car, but my old R1 carbs decided they didnt like French petrol, some 80kms from Paris one misty morning, last September.
I managed to nurse the old warrior some 4kms to a Yamaha main agents, but they were not interested in repairing it.
So i called my Ins co & within 45 mins we were en route in a recovery truck, to a very pleasant hotel on the outskirts of Paris, with the bike being dropped off at long established dealers Patric Pons Yamaha on the Monday.
The parts had to be ordered in, so i flew home, then drove out some 5 weeks later, with van & trailer to fetch it back !

And going out there with van & trailer to fetch it back is exactly what i would be doing re your BMW

Spec_P

Original Poster:

11 posts

1 month

Tuesday 25th August
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SS427 Camaro said:
Not a car, but my old R1 carbs decided they didnt like French petrol, some 80kms from Paris one misty morning, last September.
I managed to nurse the old warrior some 4kms to a Yamaha main agents, but they were not interested in repairing it.
So i called my Ins co & within 45 mins we were en route in a recovery truck, to a very pleasant hotel on the outskirts of Paris, with the bike being dropped off at long established dealers Patric Pons Yamaha on the Monday.
The parts had to be ordered in, so i flew home, then drove out some 5 weeks later, with van & trailer to fetch it back !

And going out there with van & trailer to fetch it back is exactly what i would be doing re your BMW
Doesn't sound like a terrible outcome!

I've gone down a bit of a rabbithole researching towing options. It looks like I would need a vehicle with a 2000kg towing limit minimum - friends and family don't have anything suitable I can borrow. Hiring is an option, but would put the cost to around £2k all in once fuel, tolls, ferry etc are taken into account. I'll hold tight to see what the outcome is of the free option.

Car got moved to a different garage yesterday, seems to specialise in high end vehicles. Apparently they will diagnose it this week. Progress, if nothing else.

Mr Tidy

31,181 posts

156 months

Tuesday 25th August
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Spec_P said:
Doesn't sound like a terrible outcome!

I've gone down a bit of a rabbithole researching towing options. It looks like I would need a vehicle with a 2000kg towing limit minimum - friends and family don't have anything suitable I can borrow. Hiring is an option, but would put the cost to around £2k all in once fuel, tolls, ferry etc are taken into account. I'll hold tight to see what the outcome is of the free option.

Car got moved to a different garage yesterday, seems to specialise in high end vehicles. Apparently they will diagnose it this week. Progress, if nothing else.
I'm not sure about the M54 engines, but when the electric water pump died on my Z4 with the next generation N52 engine it went into limp mode when it overheated to prevent further damage.

Hopefully the garage the car has been moved to may have a solution - M54s are reportedly pretty bulletproof. thumbup

iguana

7,341 posts

289 months

Tuesday 25th August
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I've done a fair few breakdown repatriations like this over the years. Usually where it's going to be ages for the breakdown providers to sort it & occasionally when they've refused to do it for whatever reason.

Lots of PH users over the years

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

& this PH'ers Caterham in Switzerland last yr after an incident

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...





Edited by iguana on Wednesday 26th August 00:05

SS427 Camaro

8,466 posts

199 months

Wednesday 26th August
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Spec_P said:
Doesn't sound like a terrible outcome!

I've gone down a bit of a rabbithole researching towing options. It looks like I would need a vehicle with a 2000kg towing limit minimum - friends and family don't have anything suitable I can borrow. Hiring is an option, but would put the cost to around £2k all in once fuel, tolls, ferry etc are taken into account. I'll hold tight to see what the outcome is of the free option.

Car got moved to a different garage yesterday, seems to specialise in high end vehicles. Apparently they will diagnose it this week. Progress, if nothing else.
If I wasn’t still laid up from the RTA earlier this year, I would go out and fetch it back for you.
I can certainly recommend a trailer hire co

Spec_P

Original Poster:

11 posts

1 month

Wednesday 26th August
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iguana said:
I've done a fair few breakdown repatriations like this over the years. Usually where it's going to be ages for the breakdown providers to sort it & occasionally when they've refused to do it for whatever reason.

Lots of PH users over the years

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

& this PH'ers Caterham in Switzerland last yr after an incident

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
I'd seen the recommendations so you were on my radar already smile I may well be in touch, depending on how things develop over the next few weeks!

SS427 Camaro said:
If I wasn t still laid up from the RTA earlier this year, I would go out and fetch it back for you.
I can certainly recommend a trailer hire co
Thank you sir, hoping you make a fully recovery soon


Edited by Spec_P on Thursday 27th August 20:41

Spec_P

Original Poster:

11 posts

1 month

Progress, of sorts - the garage has diagnosed the water pump, A/C compressor and A/C belt as needing doing in addition to the obvious. No mention of any overheating damage.

The water pump was done 17k miles ago so it would seem unlikely for that to be the root cause. A/C compressor is, as far as I know, original. There was some very feint squealing with AC engaged a few months ago, but it seemed to have disappeared.

All very interesting, but still no word on the reparation decision. Apparently the garage is going to BMW to get a quote for parts, doesn't sound comforting.

E34-3.2

1,183 posts

108 months

Spec_P said:
Progress, of sorts - the garage has diagnosed the water pump, A/C compressor and A/C belt as needing doing in addition to the obvious. No mention of any overheating damage.

The water pump was done 17k miles ago so it would seem unlikely for that to be the root cause. A/C compressor is, as far as I know, original. There was some very feint squealing with AC engaged a few months ago, but it seemed to have disappeared.

All very interesting, but still no word on the reparation decision. Apparently the garage is going to BMW to get a quote for parts, doesn't sound comforting.
Do they communicate in English with you? If you need anything regarding translation please let me know.

Spec_P

Original Poster:

11 posts

1 month

Thanks, this is all coming through Britannia. Appreciate the offer though, at some point I may have to try going direct.

6pi

146 posts

177 months

Spec_P said:
Progress, of sorts - the garage has diagnosed the water pump, A/C compressor and A/C belt as needing doing in addition to the obvious. No mention of any overheating damage.

The water pump was done 17k miles ago so it would seem unlikely for that to be the root cause. A/C compressor is, as far as I know, original. There was some very feint squealing with AC engaged a few months ago, but it seemed to have disappeared.

All very interesting, but still no word on the reparation decision. Apparently the garage is going to BMW to get a quote for parts, doesn't sound comforting.
If you want to keep the car, I'm not sure going to BMW for parts is the best idea as they will be signifcantly more expensive thand 3rd party... and probably the french garage is not aware of your context.

Just as an example, an AC compressor for an E90 (there is no reference for E46s) is almost 1000€ with BMW pricing : https://www.accessoires-bmw.fr/compresseur-de-clim...

On the other hand on Oscaro it's at least 3 times less : https://www.accessoires-bmw.fr/compresseur-de-clim...

So if I was in your shoes I'd give a call to the garage so they can adapt their quote.

benny.c

3,770 posts

236 months

It took about a month for Britannia to repatriate my Jeep from France after some arguing over the value and them initially saying they wouldn’t do so. The whole experience was an utter stshow as described in this thread….

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Spec_P

Original Poster:

11 posts

1 month

6pi said:
If you want to keep the car, I'm not sure going to BMW for parts is the best idea as they will be signifcantly more expensive thand 3rd party... and probably the french garage is not aware of your context.

Just as an example, an AC compressor for an E90 (there is no reference for E46s) is almost 1000 with BMW pricing : https://www.accessoires-bmw.fr/compresseur-de-clim...

On the other hand on Oscaro it's at least 3 times less : https://www.accessoires-bmw.fr/compresseur-de-clim...

So if I was in your shoes I'd give a call to the garage so they can adapt their quote.
Good shout. I've no intention of getting it repaired there if I can help it, but I don't think an inflated price with BMW parts markup is going to help anyone.

[Quote]It took about a month for Britannia to repatriate my Jeep from France after some arguing over the value and them initially saying they wouldn’t do so. The whole experience was an utter stshow as described in this thread….

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Owch, that seems to align with my experiences to date, and I fear I might be headed towards a similar standoff regarding repatriation.