Advice required on BMW finance - clueless female alert
Advice required on BMW finance - clueless female alert
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AliA

Original Poster:

58 posts

188 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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I'm currently in the final stages of negotiating a really good deal on a 1M. The price of the new car was researched, negotiated and fixed before discussing finance.
The finance deal that I am being offered is a PCP with an APR of 10.4%. I am putting in the full 40% deposit. My hubby thinks that the APR seems high.
After a few hours in the showroom today I feel like I've been bombarded with figures and was being pushed for a deal. I thought it was a good idea to take a little time and ask for advice.
So what do you guys think? Is there a deal to be done on the finance or is it a simple case of take it or leave it?

marcosgt

11,500 posts

206 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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I can't tell you where you'll get a better deal, but your hubbie's thoughts and mine are in synch.

That sounds a lot of APR!

M.

poing

8,743 posts

230 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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10.4% seems very high for a PCP deal, we are paying less than half that on our PCP car. Although to be fair it's a much cheaper car.

Haighermeister

35,005 posts

190 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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It's not the APR you need to look at, it's the Flat Rate. APR is worked out using the flat rate figure, the charges for finance, final charges etc all bundled in for comparison only really.



You should speak to a bank or something, they will probably lend you the cash unsecured (so if you ever sell the car, you can deal with finance yourself) and you'll probably get a better APR, but I would suggest that the repayments are not that much different....

Amateurish

8,280 posts

252 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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Seems on the high side but not unusual. When buying a new car recently most APR deals tended to be 8-10% unless there was a specific finance offer.

You say the price was fixed in advance. Your dealer will be getting substantial support from the finance house so in fact some opportunity from you to get a bigger discount.

Superhoop

4,914 posts

223 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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Another one here that thinks 10.4% on a PCP is on the very high side.

Some manufacturers are supporting PCP's at the moment at anywhere between 0% and about 6% at the moment

carreauchompeur

18,323 posts

234 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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Bank personal loan on that amount is likely to be 6pc ish...

mercGLowner

1,668 posts

214 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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I would be telling the dealer that I will enter discussions again when the APR is below 9%. 10.4% is too high and thy will be making additional commission on that. Email your quote around to a few other BMW dealers and ask them to beat it.

Haighermeister

35,005 posts

190 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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I don't know how much a 1M is, but lets say 35k? So you're putting down 14k and borrowing 21k.

@ 7.9% (Which is the rate you would probably get from a bank) your payments (over 5 years) are £424.80

@ 10.4% they're £450.54.

Just rough figures plucked off the net, but you'd pay £1800 more over the term @ 10.9% and with a bank loan you get flexibility to pay back early/higher amounts whenever you want.

jake15919

738 posts

195 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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If you are going to buy on dealer finance, tell them up front and you will, 9/10, get a better purchase price than if they think you are going to pay cash. By now you should have had a look at a bank loan, is it at 10.4%?

vescaegg

30,387 posts

197 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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Good choice of car biggrin

LooneyTunes

9,452 posts

188 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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Check somewhere like: http://moneyfacts.co.uk/compare/loans/10k-over-5-y...

Click through the links and you'll see up to £25k at circa 8.5% APR on an unsecured basis from Tesco...

V8A*ndy

3,703 posts

221 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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vescaegg said:
Good choice of car biggrin
She's not that clueless after all wink

GarryA

4,700 posts

194 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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What's your mortgage rate? Surely the cheapest way to loan money at the minute.

AliA

Original Poster:

58 posts

188 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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GarryA said:
What's your mortgage rate? Surely the cheapest way to loan money at the minute.
I'm in the fortunate position of having no mortgage.

skeeterm5

4,592 posts

218 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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carreauchompeur said:
Bank personal loan on that amount is likely to be 6pc ish...
However the costs would likely be substantially higher given you are funding the whole amount going down the bank loan option.

Average PCP rates across the board seem to be around 7% at the moment. If you want to compare the deal why not trying an independent finance house (eg Oracle) for the PCP

S

750turbo

6,164 posts

254 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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GarryA said:
What's your mortgage rate? Surely the cheapest way to loan money at the minute.
Some people will have you shot for that comment....

Not me though smile Easiest way to get some cash......As long as you RELIGIOUSLY PAY IT BACK ON TIME!

Haighermeister

35,005 posts

190 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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Oh, I missed that it was a PCP deal. Haha.

If you've got the cash to bang 40% down, do you need to have a PCP?

swamp

1,014 posts

219 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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You can get an unsecured bank loan for 8.2% APR, or 6.9% APR if you're only borrowing 15K.

Not sure how these would work with a PCP deal though, but 10.4% APR is high, especially as it's secured on the car as well.


Edit: if your mileage is low I believe HP may be a better option than PCP.

Chrisw666

22,655 posts

229 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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You need to be certain PCP is best for you and that you really will have some equity at the end. BMW love to get customers on the PCP hook because you will be more likely to PX giving them a lowish mileage used car to move on and putting you into something newer/better at an equal or better monthly payment.