RE: Ferrari for Le Mans?
RE: Ferrari for Le Mans?
Thursday 19th December 2013

Ferrari for Le Mans?

It's like Steve McQueen and Le Mans all over again ... hopefully!



When Luca di Montezemolo speaks, people listen. So when the Ferrari gaffer made reference to a return to Le Mans with a full-on LMP1 car at the Prancing Horse Christmas bash recently we started playing a game of join the dots that led to an interesting destination.

The charismatic Italian did the usual, thanking the workers for generating massive profits, as well as Messrs Alonso and Massa for their efforts in F1 this year. But then he dropped this tasty morsel into the mix.

'Merry Christmas, see you at Le Mans. Ho-ho-ho.'
'Merry Christmas, see you at Le Mans. Ho-ho-ho.'
"Once again this year, we have had great results in the world of GT racing ... Continued development in the GT world and the technology transfer to road cars has always been an integral part of our activity.

"We have won with the 458 GTE, but I also quite like the idea of racing at Le Mans in the highest category: who knows, maybe one day we can return and win, say thanks and come home. Maybe we should give it some serious consideration..."

Maybe Ferrari has already been giving it some serious consideration.

While Audi and Toyota were battling it out in France back in June this year, it was rumoured that a small group of Ferrari execs were in attendance, scoping out Le Mans for a possible return to the event in the top class at some point in the future. This latest comment by Ferrari's chairman no less has just fanned the flames.

GT racing is a growing market for Ferrari
GT racing is a growing market for Ferrari
If the wheels are already in motion for a full-scale works LMP effort, don't expect it to be in 2014, however. Rule changes in Formula 1 for 2014 - moving to V6 turbos with much more emphasis on energy recovery - means all of Ferrari's rather significant might in the motorsport department is being directed towards giving Fernando and his new teammate Kimi a car to challenge Vettel with next year.

But that doesn't mean Le Mans not a possibility for 2015. With the new LMP1 rules - set out by the ACO and FIA - also focusing more heavily on efficiency and energy recovery, there could be more than a few crossovers between endurance racing and F1.

With Porsche retuning to La Sarthe next year with its 919 Hybrid, if Ferrari were to come back in 2015 it could be time to reprise the Gulf livery for the German car and a nicely evocative Rosso Corsa paint job for the Ferrari. We're thinking 1970s Le Mans, with our best impression of Steve McQueen's stoic character Michael Delaney. Anyone fancy lending us a retro 911 S to make the trip and stare moodily at the Armco before the race? You know where to find us.

Enzo spawned FXX - similar future for LaFerrari?
Enzo spawned FXX - similar future for LaFerrari?
News of a possible LMP1 return is not the only interesting thing Ferrari's been up to recently - it's also been testing its 2014 1.6-litre F1 V6 turbo in the back of its new LaFerrari hypercar. See this Youtube video to hear the gruff bark of the small capacity, forced-induction motor.

The trickle down of tech from F1 and any future Le Mans car could have great implications for Ferrari's future road cars, too. So this might be more relevant than first appears. Smaller downsized turbocharged engines could be the way forward - and there's no better breeding ground to test that tech than in motorsport.

A hybrid V6 turbo - or version of that Ferrari builds for the Maserati Ghibli - mounted in the front of Ferrari's next California? Don't rule it out.

F1 engined LaFerrari

(Possibly) V6 turbo California

[Sources: SellerieCimes via YouTube, Dragos Bejan via YouTube]

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VladD

Original Poster:

8,137 posts

289 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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Love the sound of that F1 engine. Old school.

BlackpoolRock

1,183 posts

176 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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I think that V6 sounds amazing in the vid at the bottom !

crostonian

2,427 posts

196 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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Anything to take the glory away from those boring Audi TDis at Le Mans has to be a good thing.

TheDeadPrussian

879 posts

241 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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This is very good news.
F1 to my mind is becoming less and less relevant.
Sports Car racing is much more entertaining, enjoyable and accessible. Win on Sunday; sell on Monday, has far more relevance in Sports Car racing than it does in F1.

We just need sponsors to realise that the F1 procession is not the best place for them to sell their respective wares…

priley

519 posts

212 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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This V6 turbo in a road car has to mean the resurrection of the Dino name. Or is it just too evocative with the potential to impact on the 246GT's?

Leithen

13,688 posts

291 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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It would be wonderful if Ferrari did return to the top flight of Endurance racing, however......

This wouldn't be the first time they have used such a suggestion as an implicit threat over their involvement in F1 and developments or directions being taken that they don't agree with. The latest budget capping moves won't have gone down well...

Warwick67

418 posts

238 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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TheDeadPrussian said:
This is very good news.
F1 to my mind is becoming less and less relevant.
Sports Car racing is much more entertaining, enjoyable and accessible. Win on Sunday; sell on Monday, has far more relevance in Sports Car racing than it does in F1.

We just need sponsors to realise that the F1 procession is not the best place for them to sell their respective wares…
I agree... The American Le Mans Series has done much to help too I think, still needs to make it onto mainstream TV though....

wildman0609

885 posts

200 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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Leithen said:
It would be wonderful if Ferrari did return to the top flight of Endurance racing, however......

This wouldn't be the first time they have used such a suggestion as an implicit threat over their involvement in F1 and developments or directions being taken that they don't agree with. The latest budget capping moves won't have gone down well...
This was exactly my thought. As much as I would love to Ferrari in LMP1, I suspect this is all political positioning for F1.

If we did have ferrari and a couple of other F1 drivers make the switch I suspect we will have serious contender to F1 for the future.

j90gta

563 posts

158 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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How many said the the V6 F1 engines would sound boring????? That noise is quite wonderful. I fear that the noise police will try to tone things down in keeping with the new "green" F1 image.

dele

1,270 posts

218 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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Forgive me if im wrong,

But wouldnt the new Turbo V6 F1 engine be a good base for an LMP1 car? Or is it more suited to the LMP2?

Im not quite upto speed with my LMP engine regs


sxturbo

25 posts

185 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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j90gta said:
I fear that the noise police will try to tone things down in keeping with the new "green" F1 image.
i bloody hope not, they need to give the fans at least a bit of enjoyment.


shoestring7

6,179 posts

270 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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TheDeadPrussian said:
This is very good news.
F1 to my mind is becoming less and less relevant.
Sports Car racing is much more entertaining, enjoyable and accessible. Win on Sunday; sell on Monday, has far more relevance in Sports Car racing than it does in F1.

We just need sponsors to realise that the F1 procession is not the best place for them to sell their respective wares…
If there's any sign of a proper sportscar/Le Mans renaissance the FIA will kill it stone dead, like they've done many times in the past. They simply cannot afford to have anything threaten their precious F1 cash cow.

SS7

Krikkit

27,841 posts

205 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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dele said:
Forgive me if im wrong,

But wouldnt the new Turbo V6 F1 engine be a good base for an LMP1 car? Or is it more suited to the LMP2?

Im not quite upto speed with my LMP engine regs
Yes, with small(ish) revisions and a boost up to 2L capacity, the new F1 engines are potentially very good candidates for LMP1 cars with their hybrid systems etc.

Leithen

13,688 posts

291 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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Given that his speech must have been in Italian, does the English translation convey the correct meaning or ambiguity? Is "home" Le Mans (they raced from the beginnings of Ferrari), Maranello or F1? It doesn't scan very well in English. Is he really suggesting a Bentley style one or two season smash and grab effort?

rogerhudson

338 posts

182 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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For me the best bit of the film is the drive to the track, the 2.2S has the nicest engine note though his was LHD and had the extra wheelarch trim that mine doesn't have. I found the 1970 race was very very wet, in the camp site, and only 16 finished (7 911s)with only 7 in the time. The Kremer 3.3 911 came seventh.
I hope Mark Webber does well.

chevronb37

6,472 posts

210 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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Sadly, SS7 is correct. I do wonder whether the WEC's current LMP1 regulations' best chance of success is for Bernie to disappear. He was the guy who really did for Group C, FIA GT and ITC, not the FIA per se.

The manufacturers seem genuinely stimulated by the regulations and the platform the WEC and Le Mans offers them. The appearance of Nissan is good news but I do think the lack of LMP1 privateers is lamentable. There should be a hierachy which allows ambitious privateer teams to progress to the top table. Unfortunately, I fea the current regulations are simply beyond the budget of any privateer to satisfactorily develop and win.

Saying all that, I would love to see Ferrari step up to take on the best. Porsche, Audi and Ferrari are the most successful manufacturers in Le Mans history so to see them going toe-to-toe would be hugely evocative. I won't hold my breath, though. This could just be LDeM trying for some leverage on FOM re the latest F1 spats. It wouldn't be a first for Ferrari to moot a defection in order to improve its bargaining position in F1...

chevronb37

6,472 posts

210 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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Sadly, SS7 is correct. I do wonder whether the WEC's current LMP1 regulations' best chance of success is for Bernie to disappear. He was the guy who really did for Group C, FIA GT and ITC, not the FIA per se.

The manufacturers seem genuinely stimulated by the regulations and the platform the WEC and Le Mans offers them. The appearance of Nissan is good news but I do think the lack of LMP1 privateers is lamentable. There should be a hierachy which allows ambitious privateer teams to progress to the top table. Unfortunately, I fea the current regulations are simply beyond the budget of any privateer to satisfactorily develop and win.

Saying all that, I would love to see Ferrari step up to take on the best. Porsche, Audi and Ferrari are the most successful manufacturers in Le Mans history so to see them going toe-to-toe would be hugely evocative. I won't hold my breath, though. This could just be LDeM trying for some leverage on FOM re the latest F1 spats. It wouldn't be a first for Ferrari to moot a defection in order to improve its bargaining position in F1...

andyps

7,819 posts

306 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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shoestring7 said:
If there's any sign of a proper sportscar/Le Mans renaissance the FIA will kill it stone dead, like they've done many times in the past. They simply cannot afford to have anything threaten their precious F1 cash cow.

SS7
Whilst you may be correct I think the FIA would possibly welcome it as F1 is not a cash cow for them since Max Mosley did the deal to give away (because in effect with the price paid that is what he did) the TV rights to F1 to Bernie Ecclestone for 100 years. The FIA have had to massively hike the superlicence fee to get some income from F1. They could probably do a much better deal for themselves for the WEC TV rights.

I like the sound of this but do hope if it happens that the FIA don't try to wrest too much power from the ACO, and that ACO will stand up to them if necessary.

Now, if McLaren would join in too please......

365daytonafan

283 posts

209 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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If Ferrari does return to LMP1 racing I suspect they will farm out the running of the car to a team like AF Corse rather than entering a team themselves.

m0rris

119 posts

174 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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andyps said:
Now, if McLaren would join in too please......
IIRC McLaren will be looking at a 12c based GT effort in the not to distant future.

Overall though, Ferrari joining could either be brilliant or awful. It could bring much needed competition in depth and exposure to the series. However, it could also herald F1 levels of unsustainable spending and the withering of many of the privateer teams which I believe are an important part of the race.