RE: Rallying Cry: Save Our Stages, Says MSA
RE: Rallying Cry: Save Our Stages, Says MSA
Tuesday 26th July 2011

Rallying Cry: Save Our Stages, Says MSA

Motor Sports Association calls on all rally fans to help preserve stage rallying


Save our forest (rallies)
Save our forest (rallies)
The interests of motorsport look set to be ignored in the government's forthcoming Forestry Review Panel, leaving the future of off-road motorsport in the UK, particularly stage rallying, in real danger.

With the only representative of leisure users in the panel being the Rambler's Association, The UK's motorsport governing body, the MSA, fears that "the interests of motor sport will not be considered in the panel's final report".

The disastrous impact of this," says the MSA, "would be to risk motor sport being excluded from both the public forest estate and any of the forests transferred into private ownership."


Which sounds pretty worrying to us. But we can all help. The government is currently consulting to find out what the forests mean to the general public, and the MSA is urging that "as many people as possible emphasise the importance to motor sport of continued access to the public forest estate".

So if you want your voice - and the voice of the motorsport enthusiast - to be heard, shout now and shout quickly, because the deadline for submissions is Sunday, 31st July.

You can peruse the list of questions below, and submit feedback to the consultation by answering as many of the questions as you wish, and e-mailing them, along with your name, to forestrypanel@defra.gsi.gov.uk.


To help you out, the MSA has also produced a sample response paper, but is keen to point out that responses should be as individual as possible, as they reckon this will have more of an impact that an obviously orchestrated campaign. So what are you waiting for? Get e-mailing!

Survey questions:
Q1 - What do forests and woods mean to you?
Q2 - What is your vision for the future of England's forests and woods?
Q3 - What do you feel to be the benefits of forests and woods to:
a) you personally;
b) society as a whole;
c) the natural environment; and
d) the economy?
Q4 - We would like to hear about your suggestions of practical solutions and good practice which can be replicated more widely.
Q5 - What do you see as the priorities and challenges for policy about England's forests and woods?

A massive thanks to Nick Williams (NWVT) for tipping us the wink on this one

 

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ProCo2020

Original Poster:

97 posts

226 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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Please send in your views to DEFRA, even if you are not a rallyist.

Rallying is worth billions to the UK economy and millions to the economy where events take place. The environmental impact is no where near what people imagine.

Your support is needed.

dowahdiddyman

965 posts

240 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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Not big into rallying but will be an absolute scandal if it is forced to disappear by the people who know nothing but claim to represent us.

Adz The Rat

18,809 posts

238 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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I will definitely send my views later, it would be a huge loss!

Ranger 6

7,660 posts

278 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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Got your mail about this Bryan, have responded.

FWDRacer

3,565 posts

253 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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Done. Potential negative impact on UK motorsport industry. It's one of the few things left that we still lead the world hehe

OI think the MTB fraternity also gathering campaign together.

ALBA MELV

399 posts

185 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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Form sent.

Monkey boy 1

2,066 posts

260 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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Done

E21_Ross

36,729 posts

241 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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sent mine off


FWDRacer said:
Done. Potential negative impact on UK motorsport industry. It's one of the few things left that we still lead the world hehe

OI think the MTB fraternity also gathering campaign together.
are they thinking of banning MTB too!?!?!? they can't do that surely?

Riggers

1,859 posts

207 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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E21_Ross said:
sent mine off


FWDRacer said:
Done. Potential negative impact on UK motorsport industry. It's one of the few things left that we still lead the world hehe

OI think the MTB fraternity also gathering campaign together.
are they thinking of banning MTB too!?!?!? they can't do that surely?
Point is, they're not actively thinking of banning anything, it's just that only walkers arerepresented as leisure users of our forests on the panel.

So we need to make sure all the other leisure interests are heard. And that means Rallying, trials, green-laning, MTB, heck even horse riding I suppose!

ps - my form's off too smile

sjabrown

2,082 posts

189 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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Response sent. Important any enthusiasts compose a balanced response.

blearyeyedboy

6,806 posts

208 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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Riggers said:
Point is, they're not actively thinking of banning anything, it's just that only walkers arerepresented as leisure users of our forests on the panel.
Just remember that some of us weird rambler types are also car nuts. smile

Mind you, it makes more sense to make sensible representations now than to bleat about it later if motorsport is restricted.

Response sent.

rtz62

3,783 posts

184 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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Thanks for giving us the 'heads up' on this.

I remember the days of the old Lombard RAC Rally thundering through Clumber Park, Clocaenog etc; where has it all gone?

I've completed and submitted the form, together with my views on all aspects of leisure useage (albeit slightly slagging off some (ho)motorcyclists who feel its funny to thrash up and down locally, damage the surroundings and generally frighten everyone (except me with a shelaleigh...)

Funny how the panel appears on the face of it to be made up of only ramblers, as if they are the only people to use the forests and woods!

I suggested a new panel made up of a more representative cross section, to include people from the MSA, youth services (Scouts and Guides), etc; I also suggested that they could profitably make better use of their facilities by running Ray Mears-type survival courses etc.

personally, I feel that they are stuck in the seventies, they have no 'identity' etc; they need bringing into the 21st centuary with new logos, a new, fresh governing panel, greater integration (and by that I mean they should be 'inclusive' in the way they encourage people to use the forests and woods, rather than 'exclusive').

Wether they actually read, and then act on the forms we submit is another issue....

Japcarnut

218 posts

206 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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Done - cheers for drawing our attention to this.

Bring back the Group B monsters I say!

Must be some scope for educating our (increasingly urban) population, especially children of the benefits of our forests etc.

Would be a safer place for cyclists if cycle lanes put through also (vs. the roads). Bracing myself for the backlash from cyclists here! wink

Could be more facilities however like barbeque spaces, camping sites and picnic areas (even if we do end up paying for some of them - as revenues would help guarantee their survival).

Over the decades, ney centuries we have lost most of our woodland and must protect the remainder for the future populations to enjoy also. Rallying, a bit like shooting leaves the countryside alone most of the time, therby allowing species to thrive based on appropriate management.

ArnageWRC

2,332 posts

188 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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rtz62 said:
Thanks for giving us the 'heads up' on this.

I remember the days of the old Lombard RAC Rally thundering through Clumber Park, Clocaenog etc; where has it all gone?

I've completed and submitted the form, together with my views on all aspects of leisure useage (albeit slightly slagging off some (ho)motorcyclists who feel its funny to thrash up and down locally, damage the surroundings and generally frighten everyone (except me with a shelaleigh...)

Funny how the panel appears on the face of it to be made up of only ramblers, as if they are the only people to use the forests and woods!

I suggested a new panel made up of a more representative cross section, to include people from the MSA, youth services (Scouts and Guides), etc; I also suggested that they could profitably make better use of their facilities by running Ray Mears-type survival courses etc.

personally, I feel that they are stuck in the seventies, they have no 'identity' etc; they need bringing into the 21st centuary with new logos, a new, fresh governing panel, greater integration (and by that I mean they should be 'inclusive' in the way they encourage people to use the forests and woods, rather than 'exclusive').

Wether they actually read, and then act on the forms we submit is another issue....
Excellent post, good points!!
While I wouldn't say I'm anti-Rambler, they do seem to think they are the custodians of the countryside. That's why it's important that all interested 'stake-holders' are represented on any board.
Considering there are 365 days a year, and 52 weekends - Rallying (Motorsport in general) uses a very small percentage of any forest a year. In fact, NYorks have already cut back possible uses to only the Trackrod & R.A.C. Add in the charges for use - they do very well out of Rallying.

BigTom85

1,950 posts

200 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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Response sent, was 3 pages too many?

zebedee

4,595 posts

307 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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and remember people - people power is what forced the goverment to back down on its plan to sell off the forests anyway, so we can make a difference!

thechosenfamily

332 posts

184 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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Reminds me of the quote used on Top Gear about off-roading where the "ramnblers" wanted a law stating that it would be illegal to take a motor vehicle in to the countryside "For the purposes of having fun".

I will be sorting out a reply to this in due course if nothing else to stop these people from the ramblers claiming they represent me.

ARAF

20,759 posts

252 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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There's a lot of ramblers that think only their views are valid, so I had to send off an e-mail.

I used to rally and enduro on a bike, and may like the opportunity to do so again in the future, so mine has been sent.


jhfozzy

1,345 posts

219 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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Done.

magpies

5,203 posts

211 months

Tuesday 26th July 2011
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Sending mine tonight

I used to rally (and building another car) and it would be criminal to exclude motorsport from forests. Do any other forms of sport/recreation actually pay to use the forests - I know we pay well over the odds for rallying.