Your Ultimate F1

[tyranical]

5 Drivers (Any era, living or dead)

5 Cars (Any era)

5 Tracks (Any era, any different configurations of tracks)

What would you choose and why? Also, who do you think would win this fantasy F1 Championship you've created and why?

[m444ttb]

Not the topic i expected!

I'd have just the one car. A modern one, but a total dog. 2007 or 2008 Honda will do.

Drivers wise I want to see the following at the peak of their powers:
1. M.Schumacher
2. A.Senna
3. G.Villeneuve
4. Prost
5. Alonso

I haven't picked anyone from before the 80's on the basis that their fitness wouldn't hack it. I'd love to see what some of the old GP-era drivers could do though.

Track:
1. Nurburgring pre-76 (or whatever)
2. Silverstone current
3. Spa 2010 or before
4. Suzuka current
5. Monaco with hay bales for laughs

[kiteless]

Interesting. And tricky.



I'm off to bed shortly, so:

Drivers:

Nuvolari
Fangio
Moss
Clark
G Villeneuve
Senna

Cars:

Cooper T61
Maserati 250F
Lotus Type 72
Lotus Type 49
Williams FW14/B

Tracks:

Original Silverstone circa 1977
Spa (current)
Paul Ricard (original)
Osterreichring
Monaco

My thinking is to have drivers in three camps: i) those with front engined experience only ii) front and mid-engined experience iii) mid-engined experience only. My choice of cars is aligned similarly: front or mid / rear engined. Tracks are - I think - a selection of balls-out harry-flattery, to nadgery.

As to who would win my 5 event GP series? Given a fair wind and a bit of luck?

I think Clark by a point.

From what I've seen and read, he was just a total driving talent and I think that - combined with his experience of front and mid / rear engined race cars - would just, just nick it from Gilles.

Maybe.

[skeggysteve]

kiteless said:

From what I've seen and read, he was just a total driving talent and I think that - combined with his experience of front and mid / rear engined race cars - would just, just nick it from Gilles.

Maybe.

O/T but the two drivers you mention are the two that in my mind where racing drivers.
Both were born to be racing drivers.

Some are racing drivers some are race car drivers.

[S18DMW]

Drivers -
Schumacher
Fangio
Senna
Prost
Stewart

Cars -
Brawn BGP001
Tyrell 003
Mclaren MP4/13
Ferrari F2002
Mclaren MP4/4

Tracks -
Watkins Glen
Old Nurburgring (obviously)
Spa
Suzuka
Old Hockenheim

Why -
IMO opinion the 5 greatest F1 drivers ever head to head in 5 of the most successful cars ever at 5 of the most demanding circuits. As for who would win, I actually believe it would be Jackie Stewart, not sure why. I just think he has the mix of technical ability, pace and fighting spirit. The main skills of the other 4 drivers all combined.

Edited by S18DMW on Wednesday 31st August 00:39

[JMC1]

Great Topic

5 Drivers:
1. Jim Clark: The purest possibly the fastest.
2. Niki Lauda: The man who thought about it the most but still quick as well as clever
(Alain Prost if Niki wanted too much dosh which he probably would).
3. Giles Villeneuve: The biggest heart and the most spectacular.
4. Ayrton Senna: Do or Die attitude the biggest self belief.
5. Mika Hakkinen: One from more modern times at his peak & on the day braver and quicker than Schumacher.

Shame we could not have a sixth driver so that James Hunt could be included to help everyone get drunk and have a good time like the drivers used to do before the corporate image took over.

5 Cars & Tracks: all drive the same car as designated for each track.
1. Lotus 49 so beautiful IMHO the first real racing car with Cosworth as a stressed member.

Circuit: Brands Hatch GP with Dingle Dell intact so we can watch the Lotus sliding around and getting air through Dingle Dell

2. Wolf WR1 or Ferrari 312T3 a lovely simple gp car by Harvey Postlethwaite quick out the box and won Monaco, or Ferrari for the sound of the flat 12 engine good on the streets won at Long Beach.

Circuit: Monaco would suit either car just nice.

3. Lotus 79 JPS beautiful car and with the down force you had to be a man not a wimp to drive these cars.

Circuit: Suzuka to see how the fully skirted Lotus 79 would take 130R.

4. Ferrari 126C2 full on turbo car with ground effects unfinished business for Giles.

Circuit: Ferrari cars so its gotta be Monza.

5. McLaren MP4/8 the most modern I want to get to good chassis underpowered using customer Ford lovely Marlboro livery. This car will give Senna and Hakkinen familiar equipment.

Circuit: Donnington as per 1993 layout and it must be wet so we can see Senna again at the height of his powers.

Champion:
Jim Clark who could drive anything anywhere anytime.

Before you ask yes I am a 42 year old digital dinosaur.

[AJS-]

Hmmm nice topic!

M Schumacher - 1994 Benneton
A Senna - 1988 McLaren
N Piquet - 1983 Brabham
G Villeneuve - 1989 Ferrari
J Clark - A more reliable version of a 80s turbocharged JPS Lotus

Piquet is a bit of a wild card, but he was fantastic on his day. I guess he'd be at a big disadvantage in the oldest car too, but we are in fantasy land, right?

Racing at

Brands Hatch GP
Hokkenheim in it's old configuration
Spa
Nordschliefe
Austria (the old unspellable one)

[Eric Mc]

Rubbish criteria as it ensures none of the pre-war great Grand Prix drivers (apart from the tiny numbers who were still active when F1 started in 1946) get included.

How many actual F1 races did Nuvolari take part in?

If you broadened it to "Grand Prix" racing, I would definitely want to include Rosemeyer and Carraciola in there too.

Circuit wise I would include the old Spa, the 14 mile Nurburgring, the banked Monza circuit, Brands Hatch and Pescara.

[DJRC]

Eric knock it off with the F1/GP crap. Pre-war GP racing = F1, 1952 season even though in F2 cars also effectively = F1, not because of any legal definitions but because in the reality of the world it just does.

[Eric Mc]

DJRC said:

Eric knock it off with the F1/GP crap. Pre-war GP racing = F1, 1952 season even though in F2 cars also effectively = F1, not because of any legal definitions but because in the reality of the world it just does.

I'm not going to get into an argument over what is or isn't F1 but with the emphasis on post war F1 the pre-WW2 drivers do get overlooked. Indeed, there are some pre WW1 Grand Prix racers (such as the great Hungarian Ferenc Szisz) who might be included in a top five drivers' list too.

I never metioned the 1952/53 F2 anomaly at all - and I wasn't going to.

[Life Saab Itch]

Moss
Clark
Lauda
Prost
Button

Lotus 18
Lotus 49
McLaren MP4/2
Williams FW14C
Brawn BGP01

Nurburgring Nordschliefe
Old Spa
Rouen Les Essarts
Circuit Ricardo Rodriguez
Oesterreichring.


Button would win because he has the most up to date car. (Or am I missing the point here)


If I play the game... Clark would win as he was the most adaptable driver ever.

[Eric Mc]

Right - so as to show I am essentially in agreement with DJRC's assertion that Grand Prix, F1 and (for a short while) F2 are all one and the same, here is my list -

Drivers

Jim Clark
Ayrton Senna
Juan-Manuel Fangio
Bernd Rosemeyer
Rernc Szisz

Cars

Mercedes W138
Alfa Romeo 158
Lotus 49
McLaren MP4/4
Red Bull RB7 (can't exclude an Adrian Newey design from the list)

Circuits

Old Spa
Monza (banked circuit)
Brands Hatch
Old Nurburgring
Osterreichring (NOT the A1 Ring)

[S18DMW]

It's the Red Bull ring now.

[Eric Mc]

S18DMW said:

It's the Red Bull ring now.

I know. Still ruined though.

[anonymous-user]

Hmmm
Drivers:
Clark
Rindt
Senna
Collins
Vettel

Cars:

Mclaren Mp4/4's


Circuits:
Monaco
Spa in its current layout
The old nurbergering
Dijon
Kyalami

Who'd win?? Hmmmmm, i'd go for Rindt, from clark and senna tied for second

Edited by Yoof Full Chav on Wednesday 31st August 15:46

[DJRC]

Eric Mc said:

Right - so as to show I am essentially in agreement with DJRC's assertion that Grand Prix, F1 and (for a short while) F2 are all one and the same, here is my list -

Drivers

Jim Clark
Ayrton Senna
Juan-Manuel Fangio
Bernd Rosemeyer
Rernc Szisz

Cars

Mercedes W138
Alfa Romeo 158
Lotus 49
McLaren MP4/4
Red Bull RB7 (can't exclude an Adrian Newey design from the list)

Circuits

Old Spa
Monza (banked circuit)
Brands Hatch
Old Nurburgring
Osterreichring (NOT the A1 Ring)

Its not a bad list and close to me own. Id swap Bernd for Tazio and Rernc for Moss and Brands for Bathurst. Probably the RB7 for a Cooper.

[Eric Mc]

Being limited to five for each category meant I had to be a bit arbitary. Coopers were inovative and changed the whole nature of F1 so are jusrified in being in any list of important Grand Prix cars. I just thought I should stick at least one Adrian Newey design in my selection as he is probably one of the greatest F1 car designers ever - up there with Vittorio Jano, Charlie and John Cooper and Colin Chapman.

[Eric Mc]

The Sharknose was rather pedestrian and not that ground breaking a car. It wone the championship in 1961 because none of the other teams had their 1.5 litre engines sorted in time for the 1961 season. By 1962 it was finished.

I do like it though.

[Life Saab Itch]

Eric Mc said:

Being limited to five for each category meant I had to be a bit arbitary. Coopers were inovative and changed the whole nature of F1 so are jusrified in being in any list of important Grand Prix cars. I just thought I should stick at least one Adrian Newey design in my selection as he is probably one of the greatest F1 car designers ever - up there with Vittorio Jano, Charlie and John Cooper and Colin Chapman.

What about Gordon Murray?

My top 3 list of race car designers would be Chapman, Murray and Newey. In that order.

[Eric Mc]

Life Saab Itch said:

Eric Mc said:

Being limited to five for each category meant I had to be a bit arbitary. Coopers were inovative and changed the whole nature of F1 so are jusrified in being in any list of important Grand Prix cars. I just thought I should stick at least one Adrian Newey design in my selection as he is probably one of the greatest F1 car designers ever - up there with Vittorio Jano, Charlie and John Cooper and Colin Chapman.

What about Gordon Murray?

My top 3 list of race car designers would be Chapman, Murray and Newey. In that order.

Yep - no argument.

There have been quite a few outstanding F1 (and pre F1 Grand Prix designers). The problem is the 5 limit set by the OP.
I'd have Porsche in there too for the Auto Unions and Rudi Uhlenhaut for the pre and post war Mercedes GP cars.