Brunno senna proving 1 thing?
Brunno senna proving 1 thing?
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krissstephen

Original Poster:

170 posts

197 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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Just how much is dependant on having a good car!!

How much is driver and how much is car? Would Alonso in a Red Bull be as dominating as Seb is just now? So, all drivers in the same car?

Alonso
Webber
Seb
Hamilton
Button

Castrol Craig

18,073 posts

235 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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Hamilton, closely followed by alonso, button & fingers fighting for 3rd

Mini1275

11,098 posts

211 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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Castrol Craig said:
Hamilton, closely followed by alonso, button & fingers fighting for 3rd
Agree with this.

PowerStation

3,721 posts

232 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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Kobayashi would eat them all! biggrin

Conian

8,030 posts

230 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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Bit more to it methinks, some cars are made to compliment driving styles
Some drivers can adapt, some need the car changed to them

Its very easy to name the top drivers, but you just dont know who else could jump into a good car and adapt to it very well and very quickly

I'd even put a quid on Petrov or Ruebens in a level playing field.

paulw123

4,874 posts

219 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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Mini1275 said:
gree with this.
agree, would love to see all these driver battel it out in a neutral car e.g. a renault and really see how they compare

weyland yutani

1,410 posts

193 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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PowerStation said:
Kobayashi would eat them all! biggrin
I know he's only in a Sauber but his qualifying has been poor this season.

ChiChoAndy

73,668 posts

284 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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paulw123 said:
agree, would love to see all these driver battel it out in a neutral car e.g. a renault and really see how they compare
Interesting idea. Don't give them the best car, give them one with issues, and see who can drive with the issues.

Mini1275

11,098 posts

211 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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If you gave them all an under performing car it would again be between Lewis and Fernando in my opinion.

Both have proven that they can drag a bad car around and 'out perform' it.

I still think Lewis would take it.

ChiChoAndy

73,668 posts

284 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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When has Lewis dragged a crappy car around? Apart from 2009 He hasn't really had a crappy car, at least not to the level of a Renault, or the like.

RJB_666

1,677 posts

224 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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Conian said:
Bit more to it methinks, some cars are made to compliment driving styles
Some drivers can adapt, some need the car changed to them

Its very easy to name the top drivers, but you just dont know who else could jump into a good car and adapt to it very well and very quickly

I'd even put a quid on Petrov or Ruebens in a level playing field.
I agree with this. For example look at Fisi and his brief spell in the Ferarri. He just couldn't get used to the car. He was in fact faster in the Force India before hand.

I believe though the stand out drivers are Hamilton and Alonso. But then how could you argue not to have Button or Vettel?

Use Psychology

11,327 posts

221 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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ChiChoAndy said:
When has Lewis dragged a crappy car around? Apart from 2009 He hasn't really had a crappy car, at least not to the level of a Renault, or the like.
LH in australia in 2009 is the best example.

ChiChoAndy

73,668 posts

284 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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Use Psychology said:
LH in australia in 2009 is the best example.
What? Being disqualified? hehe

Conian

8,030 posts

230 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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was it 09 when he did have a crappy car and was bimbling at the back for a couple of races early in the season? bleedin heck time flies, doesnt seem that long ago

who was his team mate at the time, Heiki? How was the team mate doing in comparison?

davepoth

29,395 posts

228 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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weyland yutani said:
I know he's only in a Sauber but his qualifying has been poor this season.
With the Sauber being so easy on tyres, it's a sensible assumption to make that it's difficult to get the tyres to temperature properly in one lap, which may explain that.

RichB

56,208 posts

313 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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As loads of people have said, Hamilton & Alonso are the top two racers currently, I couldn't try to seperate them but IMO they are the top two.

andyps

7,819 posts

311 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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ChiChoAndy said:
Use Psychology said:
LH in australia in 2009 is the best example.
What? Being disqualified? hehe
Only disqualified because he drove the wheels off the car and overtook - legitimately as it turned out!

I agree with Hamilton and Alonso as the ones who would do best in a poor car whatever the conditions. Over a race distance not sure would be best, it would be very close.

ChiChoAndy

73,668 posts

284 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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Well, a few drivers have overtaken lots, or come from crappy positions. I don't think it means too much in this situation.

groomi

9,331 posts

272 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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RichB said:
As loads of people have said, Hamilton & Alonso are the top two racers currently, I couldn't try to seperate them...
Well indeed, when they did have the same car only countback and morals could separate them... wink

telecat

8,528 posts

270 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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davepoth said:
weyland yutani said:
I know he's only in a Sauber but his qualifying has been poor this season.
With the Sauber being so easy on tyres, it's a sensible assumption to make that it's difficult to get the tyres to temperature properly in one lap, which may explain that.
Saw an article this week and it seems most of the teams Kobayashi would like to get into have looked at the relative performances of him and Perez and are not impressed.