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OK, might sound like s straneg question, but how does a sport's governing body become THE power for that sport...how does it 'own' the rules...
Why does the FIA have the be all and end all to decide what is OK/Safe/fair?
What's to stop me starting my own race series tomorrow...hire a track...get 20 people to build cars to my own rules and run them to my rules, not to FIA/RAC guidelines, no RAC racing licence etc?
Is it just a gradual assumption that all parts of motorsports rely on RAC/FIA status so all stick to the rules...just being a member of the same club in effect?
Might sound like a strange question, but always made me wonder how and why any sport is governed by (potentially) a regulator that people don't agree with...
Or is there...or is there no reason...
...is that why boxing has muptiple boies (because there actually IS NOTHING stopping other rule makers stepping in) it's just a question of money and and commercial power/bullying
Why does the FIA have the be all and end all to decide what is OK/Safe/fair?
What's to stop me starting my own race series tomorrow...hire a track...get 20 people to build cars to my own rules and run them to my rules, not to FIA/RAC guidelines, no RAC racing licence etc?
Is it just a gradual assumption that all parts of motorsports rely on RAC/FIA status so all stick to the rules...just being a member of the same club in effect?
Might sound like a strange question, but always made me wonder how and why any sport is governed by (potentially) a regulator that people don't agree with...
Or is there...or is there no reason...
...is that why boxing has muptiple boies (because there actually IS NOTHING stopping other rule makers stepping in) it's just a question of money and and commercial power/bullying
nothing stopping you run your own races etc, BUT......
you might run into issues with getting insurance etc.
that said, SCCA seem to get on OK without the FIA, as do the ACO (to some extent).
Quite a few countries have sanctioning bodies that are not affiliated with the FIA.
it's one of those double edged swords, it has a lot of advantages for standardisation of safety stuff etc, but also has a lot of political/commercial issues.
Other problem is that each countries ASN (in the UK it's the MSA) have different attitudes towards their role in motorsport, some are lightyears ahead of others....
you might run into issues with getting insurance etc.
that said, SCCA seem to get on OK without the FIA, as do the ACO (to some extent).
Quite a few countries have sanctioning bodies that are not affiliated with the FIA.
it's one of those double edged swords, it has a lot of advantages for standardisation of safety stuff etc, but also has a lot of political/commercial issues.
Other problem is that each countries ASN (in the UK it's the MSA) have different attitudes towards their role in motorsport, some are lightyears ahead of others....
Scuffers said:
nothing stopping you run your own races etc, BUT......
you might run into issues with getting insurance etc.
that said, SCCA seem to get on OK without the FIA, as do the ACO (to some extent).
Quite a few countries have sanctioning bodies that are not affiliated with the FIA.
it's one of those double edged swords, it has a lot of advantages for standardisation of safety stuff etc, but also has a lot of political/commercial issues.
Other problem is that each countries ASN (in the UK it's the MSA) have different attitudes towards their role in motorsport, some are lightyears ahead of others....
This is THE hot subject of F1, particularly when compared to TOCA; Alan Gow is a promoter introducing sensible rules and management to benefit every interested party.you might run into issues with getting insurance etc.
that said, SCCA seem to get on OK without the FIA, as do the ACO (to some extent).
Quite a few countries have sanctioning bodies that are not affiliated with the FIA.
it's one of those double edged swords, it has a lot of advantages for standardisation of safety stuff etc, but also has a lot of political/commercial issues.
Other problem is that each countries ASN (in the UK it's the MSA) have different attitudes towards their role in motorsport, some are lightyears ahead of others....
But in F1 why would the governing body sell the commercial rights to a third party for buttons and deprive the participants of the series much needed income.
BE and CVC are completely time-expired and should make a quick exit with tails between legs.
Scuffers said:
nothing stopping you run your own races etc, BUT......
you might run into issues with getting insurance etc.
that said, SCCA seem to get on OK without the FIA, as do the ACO (to some extent).
Quite a few countries have sanctioning bodies that are not affiliated with the FIA.
it's one of those double edged swords, it has a lot of advantages for standardisation of safety stuff etc, but also has a lot of political/commercial issues.
Other problem is that each countries ASN (in the UK it's the MSA) have different attitudes towards their role in motorsport, some are lightyears ahead of others....
The ACO do utilise the FIA, the flag rules for Le Mans Series are in fact the FIA International rules. IndyCar is a good example of non-FIA motorsport, however their governance of late has been called into question and the safety of the car I'm not totally sold on... The FIA safety rules I believe are about the strictest in the world!you might run into issues with getting insurance etc.
that said, SCCA seem to get on OK without the FIA, as do the ACO (to some extent).
Quite a few countries have sanctioning bodies that are not affiliated with the FIA.
it's one of those double edged swords, it has a lot of advantages for standardisation of safety stuff etc, but also has a lot of political/commercial issues.
Other problem is that each countries ASN (in the UK it's the MSA) have different attitudes towards their role in motorsport, some are lightyears ahead of others....
As a none-racer I have wondered what it is that the FIA do that couldn't be done by the race organisers. Banger and stock car racing, for example, allows competitors to crash deliberately but they have managed to work out enough safety regulations that people aren't killed every race. They've done this while keeping their entry fees MUCH lower (I don't think F1 stock cars pay at all) ticket prices are lower and everything (appears) to involve much less hassle and bureaucracy.
EDLT said:
As a none-racer I have wondered what it is that the FIA do that couldn't be done by the race organisers. Banger and stock car racing, for example, allows competitors to crash deliberately but they have managed to work out enough safety regulations that people aren't killed every race. They've done this while keeping their entry fees MUCH lower (I don't think F1 stock cars pay at all) ticket prices are lower and everything (appears) to involve much less hassle and bureaucracy.
that would be more an MSA thing that FIA (and I don't disagree with you on costs)So it's only because the monied dwarf 'owns' the F1 name and marketing rights, and pays the manufactureres handsomely to participate that they stay loyal to the formula and FIA. Otherwise they could go and run open wheeled cars in 'Formula X' with 'better' cars and less red tape in a new global standard not associated to FIA or any local motorsport body? Go get television rights, make it a bit racier with a few well orchistrated crashes, Bernie's suddenly collecting his social and his two daughters are regular features at Spearmint Rhino...
Sort of?
Sort of?
virgil said:
So it's only because the monied dwarf 'owns' the F1 name and marketing rights, and pays the manufactureres handsomely to participate that they stay loyal to the formula and FIA. Otherwise they could go and run open wheeled cars in 'Formula X' with 'better' cars and less red tape in a new global standard not associated to FIA or any local motorsport body? Go get television rights, make it a bit racier with a few well orchistrated crashes, Bernie's suddenly collecting his social and his two daughters are regular features at Spearmint Rhino...
Sort of?
basically, yes, if the teams actually grew some kahuna's then this would have happened by now.Sort of?
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