Who will be 2nd ? - F1 WDC Betting without Vettel.

[MGJohn]

So ... Who will be 2nd ? - Betting without Vettel.

Here's how William HILL see it :~

Drivers Championship w/o Fav - Drivers Championship w/o Vettel
All Bets
07 Oct 02:00 UK

15/8 Jenson Button

9/4 Fernando Alonso

3/1 Mark Webber

4/1 Lewis Hamilton

Have they got it right ? ~ We shall see. Button was much longer odds a race or two ago.

So, who's your money going on to ? ...

By the way, Hill's betting for WDC 2012 ~ They already have Vettel at EVEN MONEY...

At this early stage, that is plain silly.
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[Kinky]

Alonso / Webber / Button in that order

[MGJohn]

Kinky said:

Alonso / Webber / Button in that order

That's some crystal ball you have there Kinky ...

[Kinky]

MGJohn said:

Kinky said:

Alonso / Webber / Button in that order

That's some crystal ball you have there Kinky ...

If only it was ever that easy

[llewop]

Kinky said:

Alonso / Webber / Button in that order

Reverse that order:

Button/Webber/Alonso

Button is in the groove and on Sunday's the McLaren is pretty close to the Red Bull
Webber is in far and away the best car (and might be allowed to win a race now... but maybe not)
Alonso admits his car is third best.... he might still win a race or two, but equally he's going to struggle a time or two

[DanDC5]

llewop said:

Reverse that order:

Button/Webber/Alonso

Button is in the groove and on Sunday's the McLaren is pretty close to the Red Bull
Webber is in far and away the best car (and might be allowed to win a race now... but maybe not)
Alonso admits his car is third best.... he might still win a race or two, but equally he's going to struggle a time or two

This.

[Get Karter]

LH has a goal for the rest of the season: to retain his 'never beaten by team mate' record.

I can see him finishing ahead of JB (and FA) in all the remaining races.

So between him and Webber for 2nd position

[MGJohn]

Get Karter said:

LH has a goal for the rest of the season: to retain his 'never beaten by team mate' record.

I can see him finishing ahead of JB (and FA) in all the remaining races.

So between him and Webber for 2nd position

Oh yee of BIG faith ...

We shall see... I think Lewis has an even bigger and far more important goal than that ~ to ensure he actually finishes more races instead of parking it in the walls. It is in HIS control as he has clearly shown all too obviously in his last two efforts on the track with both extremes in plain sight.

It's very close for 2nd ... Button was around 10-1 for 2nd prior to recent progress...any one of those three can do it now ... Good eh ...

Meantime, I berlieve the true Champion deserves his acclaim ...
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[Get Karter]

MGJohn said:

Get Karter said:

LH has a goal for the rest of the season: to retain his 'never beaten by team mate' record.

I can see him finishing ahead of JB (and FA) in all the remaining races.

So between him and Webber for 2nd position

Oh yee of BIG faith ...

We shall see... I think Lewis has an even bigger and far more important goal than that ~ to ensure he actually finishes more races instead of parking it in the walls. It is in HIS control as he has clearly shown all too obviously in his last two efforts on the track with both extremes in plain sight.

It's very close for 2nd ... Button was around 10-1 for 2nd prior to recent progress...any one of those three can do it now ... Good eh ...

Meantime, I berlieve the true Champion deserves his acclaim ...
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Not 'faith'. I am not a blind supporter of LH.
More to do with 'probability' looking at performance stats over the longer term.

[hesnotthemessiah]

As intimated to above.......On current form and confidence factor, it would be difficult to bet against Button.

[BoRED S2upid]

Alonso, Webber and a McLaren.

I think Ham will take points off Jenson whereas that might be the opposite in the RedBull and the Ferrari teams you may even see Vet giving Webber some points and ofcourse Massa isn't going to take points from Alonso.

[rev-erend]

Button ..

Hopefully that will get him many brownie points at McLaren

[elster]

MGJohn said:

Meantime, I berlieve the true Champion deserves his acclaim ...
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Indeed give Adrian Newey a knighthood.

[MGJohn]

elster said:

MGJohn said:

Meantime, I believe the true Champion deserves his acclaim ...
..

Indeed give Adrian Newey a knighthood.

I saw what you did there ~ credit where credit is due is one of my favourite maxims.. One man do not maketh the whole team ... ever ...

rev-erend said:

Button ..

Hopefully that will get him many brownie points at McLaren
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Verily I say unto yow...

Irrespective of what may happen during the rest of the season, I strongly suspect Button's cup already runneth over in the brownie points chase.

[rev-erend]

MGJohn said:

Verily I say unto yow...

Irrespective of what may happen during the rest of the season, I strongly suspect Button's cup already runneth over in the brownie points chase.

Perhaps McLaren should get Hamilton to practice parking on a crowded street .. from his performance it
looks like he needs to understand where his car ends..

[Scuffers]

MGJohn said:

elster said:

MGJohn said:

Meantime, I believe the true Champion deserves his acclaim ...
..

Indeed give Adrian Newey a knighthood.

I saw what you did there ~ credit where credit is due is one of my favourite maxims.. One man do not maketh the whole team ... ever ...

sort of true, but you can;t argue that without him they would still be nowhere.

Williams have done st since he left, McLaren are nothing like as dominant as they were with him.

Yes, he has a team round him, but how many of them have jumped ship and followed him? (genuine question, I don't know the answer).

[DanDC5]

Scuffers said:

sort of true, but you can;t argue that without him they would still be nowhere.

Williams have done st since he left, McLaren are nothing like as dominant as they were with him.

Yes, he has a team round him, but how many of them have jumped ship and followed him? (genuine question, I don't know the answer).

I believe there are more than a few people that were head hunted under the request of Adrian Newey.

[elster]

Scuffers said:

MGJohn said:

elster said:

MGJohn said:

Meantime, I believe the true Champion deserves his acclaim ...
..

Indeed give Adrian Newey a knighthood.

I saw what you did there ~ credit where credit is due is one of my favourite maxims.. One man do not maketh the whole team ... ever ...

sort of true, but you can;t argue that without him they would still be nowhere.

Williams have done st since he left, McLaren are nothing like as dominant as they were with him.

Yes, he has a team round him, but how many of them have jumped ship and followed him? (genuine question, I don't know the answer).

Honestly Vettel has driven amazingly well.

However I think the big factor in it all is the car design blowing the others out of the water.

[cobylu]

Think of this as a 5 race championship as the points are pretty close. Webber should walk it with that car and a bit of help from his team mate and vettel is due a dnf. I can't see the button steamroller continuing to beat Lewis for 5 races consistantly Alonso isnt going to drag the Ferrari round to a couple of wins.
2nd webber witha couple of wins
3rd Hamilton with a win and a few seconds
4th button a few podiums and a possible win if it rains in brazil.
5th alonso

[elster]

cobylu said:

Think of this as a 5 race championship as the points are pretty close. Webber should walk it with that car and a bit of help from his team mate and vettel is due a dnf. I can't see the button steamroller continuing to beat Lewis for 5 races consistantly Alonso isnt going to drag the Ferrari round to a couple of wins.
2nd webber witha couple of wins
3rd Hamilton with a win and a few seconds
4th button a few podiums and a possible win if it rains in brazil.
5th alonso

Do you honestly believe that of the 5 remaining races Vettel will not win once?

Edited by elster on Wednesday 28th September 18:32