Massa told, Destroy his race over the Radio.
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Quite interesting to watch this ...Singapore race edit on the F1 website.
http://www.formula1.com/video/
Rob Smedley says over the radio to Massa "Hold Hamilton as long as we can - Destroy his race as much as we can"
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95025
But I have re-opened the Singapore thread for tidyness.
petergb said:
No.
Well, let's have a sensible discussion about it. I think it has been taken out of context as Massa was told to destroy his race which we can assume (as it has been done in team based motorsport since the dawn of time) that he was holding up a rival of his team mate so his team mate could start to build a gap. Now, how it is being misinterpereted is as a result of Hamilton colliding with Massa which left Massa with a puncture and Hamilton with a damaged front wing. As this is a UK-based forum a lot of the bias is towards Hamilton in this situation. The same can be said about the British media reporting on it. So, rather than admitting the fault lies with Hamilton's driving, the instruction for Massa to hold Hamilton up is twisted to imply that it was in fact Massa who was instructed to cause an incident that would damage Hamilton's race in the way that it did. Failing to take into account the fact that it was in fact Massa who took the majority of the damage out of the incindent in the form of suffering a puncture and having to limp back to the pits at a snail's pace.
But still, who are we to let common sense get in the way of a great story?
It was great to hear all that extra radio traffic. I'd like to hear more of it during the race, it gives a much better insight to what's going on.
I knew Lewis was getting to get a penalty as soon as it happened. But if Massa was deliberately slower into the corner then that penalty was undeserved.
Holding up another driver is the norm. I don't have any problem with it.
I did it myself to allow my team mate to win a championship several years ago.
"Hold Hamilton as much as we can" seems fine by me
"Destroy his race as much as we can. Come on, boy" seems unsporting - not far off put him in the wall. But not illegal.
woof said:
It was great to hear all that extra radio traffic. I'd like to hear more of it during the race, it gives a much better insight to what's going on.
I knew Lewis was getting to get a penalty as soon as it happened. But if Massa was deliberately slower into the corner then that penalty was undeserved.
Holding up another driver is the norm. I don't have any problem with it.
I did it myself to allow my team mate to win a championship several years ago.
"Hold Hamilton as much as we can" seems fine by me
"Destroy his race as much as we can. Come on, boy" seems unsporting - not far off put him in the wall. But not illegal.
I agree that if Massa was deliberately going slower into the corner (almost brake testing to an extent) the penalty was undeserved. And if Smedley actually meant for Massa to end Hamilton's race, again, the penalty was undeserved. However I believe that it was purely down to Hamilton being on the racing line with Massa being on the inside going into the corner that led to Hamilton being much faster at the apex. Perhaps much faster than even he was expecting, thus running into the back of Massa. I knew Lewis was getting to get a penalty as soon as it happened. But if Massa was deliberately slower into the corner then that penalty was undeserved.
Holding up another driver is the norm. I don't have any problem with it.
I did it myself to allow my team mate to win a championship several years ago.
"Hold Hamilton as much as we can" seems fine by me
"Destroy his race as much as we can. Come on, boy" seems unsporting - not far off put him in the wall. But not illegal.
The way I see it, Massa was doing everything to keep Hamilton behind him (perfectly legal), in doing so took a defensive line (the typical thing to do). As a result Hamilton had the faster corner speed and ended up touching Massa's rear tyre, causing a puncture. Bog standard racing incident which shouldn't really be that much of a point of debate when you think about it.
Interesting, I wonder if this will shut up the people on the thread about the FIA treating Hamilton unfairly, The vitriolic comments against LH seemed very harsh, surely the FIA have access to the telemetry and would have reviewed it to check that he had been driving badly.
But saying that, Massa was driving a Red car.
But saying that, Massa was driving a Red car.
de-lurking for a millisecond:
I'll not add any pennies' worth about how drivers have been clambering all over each other into corners since time began, but since Smedley seems to have told Massa to slow LH down, doesn't that make his reaction after the race a little.... strange? I mean, he's been told to effectively block LH, so how can he act all holier-than-thou when LH - frustrated beyond endurance no doubt - climbs all over him trying to get past?
That's the part that I don't like. It's like a footballer claiming he "never touched him, ref..." when the other guy's got a broken leg.
Edited to add: I see someone else has already been over this on another topic. Teach me to jump in the deep end.
I'll not add any pennies' worth about how drivers have been clambering all over each other into corners since time began, but since Smedley seems to have told Massa to slow LH down, doesn't that make his reaction after the race a little.... strange? I mean, he's been told to effectively block LH, so how can he act all holier-than-thou when LH - frustrated beyond endurance no doubt - climbs all over him trying to get past?
That's the part that I don't like. It's like a footballer claiming he "never touched him, ref..." when the other guy's got a broken leg.
Edited to add: I see someone else has already been over this on another topic. Teach me to jump in the deep end.
Edited by GroundedFX on Monday 3rd October 15:34
mchammer89 said:
I agree that if Massa was deliberately going slower into the corner (almost brake testing to an extent) the penalty was undeserved. And if Smedley actually meant for Massa to end Hamilton's race, again, the penalty was undeserved. However I believe that it was purely down to Hamilton being on the racing line with Massa being on the inside going into the corner that led to Hamilton being much faster at the apex. Perhaps much faster than even he was expecting, thus running into the back of Massa.
The way I see it, Massa was doing everything to keep Hamilton behind him (perfectly legal), in doing so took a defensive line (the typical thing to do). As a result Hamilton had the faster corner speed and ended up touching Massa's rear tyre, causing a puncture. Bog standard racing incident which shouldn't really be that much of a point of debate when you think about it.
100% this.The way I see it, Massa was doing everything to keep Hamilton behind him (perfectly legal), in doing so took a defensive line (the typical thing to do). As a result Hamilton had the faster corner speed and ended up touching Massa's rear tyre, causing a puncture. Bog standard racing incident which shouldn't really be that much of a point of debate when you think about it.
LH's impatience lost him the chance to battle Alonso, not Massa.
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