RE: PistonHeads Wales Rally GB 2011 Preview
RE: PistonHeads Wales Rally GB 2011 Preview
Thursday 10th November 2011

PistonHeads Wales Rally GB 2011 Preview

It's Rally GB this weekend - who knew?


Hirvonen's last chance to beat Loeb
Hirvonen's last chance to beat Loeb
The 2011 FIA World Rally Championship season was going to be different, we were told. New regulations were introduced to reinvigorate the series, to attract more manufacturer teams and to promote greater levels of competition between the drivers.

But with just this weekend's season ending, Wales Rally GB still to run reigning World Champion Sebastien Loeb leads the title charge, the Citroen World Rally Team has already secured a seventh manufacturers' title since 2003 and the only competition this year has come from Ford.

On the face of it, the 2011 season has been very much like the previous few, during which time the WRC has gradually slipped away into obscurity from even the motoring media, never mind the mainstream press.

That's a shame, because as MINI World Rally Team boss David Richards says, "the pace of Rally GB this year will be, I dare say, faster than that of any Rally GB for many years." He pins that assertion down primarily to the championship battle that will rage throughout the weekend (excepting any mechanical failures or critical driving errors) between Loeb and serial championship pretender Mikko Hirvonen.

Loeb tries for two-wheeled record
Loeb tries for two-wheeled record
The mercurial Frenchman knows a thing or seven about wrapping up World Championships and, with an eight-point lead over Hirvonen in the drivers' standings, he certainly looks the favourite to come out on top come Sunday afternoon.

The Finn, meanwhile, should be thankful to still be in the title race. He has driven consistently this year, never having finished below fourth position and with eight podiums to his credit, but he's rarely been the pacesetter. Hirvonen's two wins in 2011 play Loeb's five, but his victory in Australia rather came his way thanks to a magnanimous team-mate in Jari-Matti Latvala and the near-simultaneous implosion of their French rivals.

So two questions hang over the title battle in Wales; does Hirvonen have the pace to beat Loeb, and does he deserve to win the championship? The answer to the first is probably no, unless he can rediscover the fine form that took him to within a single point of the title in 2009 (in fact, but for a missed team-orders opportunity, Hirvonen would have been crowned champion that year), while the answer to the second is very much open to interpretation.

A few words must be spared for Citroen's reliability woes; engine failure first halted Loeb in France, then his team-mate in Spain. A repeat could be decisive.

A MINI, clearly not in Wales
A MINI, clearly not in Wales
Five drivers look to be in contention for victory this weekend; the three already mentioned, plus Rally GB master Petter Solberg and the remarkable (both for his speed and petulance) Sebastien Ogier. MINI World Rally Team drivers Dani Sordo and Kris Meeke, meanwhile, will do their best to muscle in on the party.

In Wales, 28 championship points remain on the table. Hirvonen probably needs to win and hope his team-mate can come between him and Loeb if he's to seal the crown. The permutations are manifold, but it looks very likely that the battle will boil down to Sunday's Power Stage, which awards championship points to the three fastest drivers and is broadcast on live television.

That's why the WRC's modest profile is a real shame. This year's Wales Rally GB looks set to be an absolute corker, not only for the dramatic conclusion of the Drivers' Championship, but also for the return to some classic forest stages and the two tours of the Great Orme (Llandudno's very own slice of Rallye Monte Carlo) that will get the decider underway today. It's a pity more people aren't going to share in the excitement.

Can MINI come good in 2012?
Can MINI come good in 2012?
As for the state of the World Rally Championship? The signs are encouraging, but the new regulations just need time to settle in. MINI will be up to full strength in 2012, while Volkswagen is set to enter the series from 2013. A full and frank appraisal would be better left for a later date, but in the meantime it does seem that good times are ahead for rallying.

It'd be a damn sight easier to convince casual observers of that if Mikko Hirvonen can pull off the improbable this weekend.

Dan Prosser

 

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anonymous-user

Original Poster:

83 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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I'll be there biglaugh
Really looking forward to this.

RSD 25

562 posts

232 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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I've been trying to follow it but it's on the wrong tv stations & nobodys talking about it which is a shame. Maybe it's Loeb being too dominant thats caused the press to look elsewhere.

Anyway. I'll try to find a way to watch it.

Rob

rallyman77

138 posts

196 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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I ll be going to Sweet Lamb on Saturday for a repeat spin of the stage, and I ll be wearing the RB T-Shirt too!

Loeb has been the pace setter - undoubtedly - this year but I hope Mikko pulls something special (or at least give him a run for his money).

:-)

cookie1600

2,713 posts

190 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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RSD 25 said:
I've been trying to follow it but it's on the wrong tv stations & nobodys talking about it which is a shame.
Welcome to the World of F1 in 2012 and beyond........

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

83 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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The WRC has just lost it.

Maybe if manufacturers had to build 1000 road going versions like the old days people would get more excited.

Safety is very good now so why not bring back Group B

Now that would be a reason to get wet in a forest smile

Oddball RS

1,757 posts

247 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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Shame its not the RAC anymore and actually goes outside Wales!

RSD 25

562 posts

232 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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cookie1600 said:
RSD 25 said:
I've been trying to follow it but it's on the wrong tv stations & nobodys talking about it which is a shame.
Welcome to the World of F1 in 2012 and beyond........
At least i'm a fully paid up Sky Sports Subscriber.

Except that i don't have the sports channels that you have to pay extra on top of the cost of Sky Sports.

Maybe the BBC should bid for WRC rights soon as it's much, much, much cheaper. In therory anyway.

NITO

1,318 posts

235 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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I absolutely love rallying, so much more than any other form of Motorsport.

It's a real shame it's not really supported on TV.

Bring back homologation specials so people can identify with it in the showrooms which was always a major appeal of rallying.

Rally GB needs to go outside of Wales like it used to. I went to Wales in 2003 and vowed never to go back to it...wouldn't get let in for stages despite having tickets because they'd let people without tickets in and no space, the organisers weren't interested in complaints or refunds/passing the buck, the Heddlu are a bunch of tts as are the ludicrously low speed limits in certain areas specifically set to catch you out, and the people we came across were all pretty unfriendly.

By contrast, Rally San Remo used to be awesome, but they stopped going there, even though it was one of the most established on the calendar!

I would love to get back into it, wish the manufacturers would pile back in, especially Subaru, Mitsubishi and Toyota, hell even Nissan and Porsche. Circuit racing is so dull by comparison!

Gary C

15,219 posts

208 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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Used to drive over the whole country watching the RAC. Loads of adventures, fantastic cars, close to the action, having a near head on with Henri Toivonen who was late for a stage smile

Just a shame its limited to Wales as I don't live down there anymore frown

Charlie Foxtrot

3,275 posts

244 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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I want to like the WRC. Rallying is just the best motorsport. But there is so much wrong with it. I blame David Richards!

But I'll still be following it online. Junkie needs a fix.

fireball-xl5

19 posts

226 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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I agree with nearly all the above - outside Wales etc. but especially sky charging for sports. All I watch is motorsport and how good was World Rally, Access All Areas on Dave with Neil Cole. I'm afraid this commentator on Motors TV just doesn't cut the mustard......

EDLT

15,421 posts

235 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
The WRC has just lost it.

Maybe if manufacturers had to build 1000 road going versions like the old days people would get more excited.

Safety is very good now so why not bring back Group B

Now that would be a reason to get wet in a forest smile
yes The only way to get more manufacturers interested is by forcing them to spend hundreds of millions of pounds building road cars that will utterly ruin their CO2 averages.

TvrJohn

1,070 posts

284 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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Ok so how can we view whats going on without Sky ?
Rally website, with results and comments whos crashed etc

Turbobanana

8,322 posts

230 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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Oddball RS said:
Shame its not the RAC anymore and actually goes outside Wales!
Absolutely. I used to live in North Wales and EVERY year I'd go watch, sometimes even marshal, the old Lombard RAC.

Despite still having relatives there (ie free accommodation...) I haven't bothered since it became Wales Rally GB and the cars got all boring.

/Gazes out of the office window and thinks longingly about Audi quattros, 205 T16s, Celica GT4s and Delta Integrales.../

jonesey

681 posts

224 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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Leaving tonight to get some beers down us ahead of tomorrow. Weather is looking ok (jinx). Can't wait.

Krikkit

27,935 posts

210 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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EDLT said:
yes The only way to get more manufacturers interested is by forcing them to spend hundreds of millions of pounds building road cars that will utterly ruin their CO2 averages.
Hundreds of millions building 1000 homoligation specials? Given previous specials engine tuning etc they wouldn't be much off the top model in each range, so virtually no different!

I used to love watching WRC on Dave, but now it's moved over to ESPN I haven't caught a single stage of it this year. The WRC website isn't exactly helpful for keeping up with results and happenings either, what a pile of wk!

mistergixer

103 posts

181 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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Perhaps it's the cynic in me, but that article seemed mostly like a marketing piece for 'MINI World Rally Team'.
Did PH get given a few bungs by the 'MINI World Rally Team' to write it, or was it written for PH by the 'MINI World Rally Team'?

Ved

3,949 posts

204 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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I saw this through Clumber Park when I was about 7 and it was superb. It's not like the good old days or even the up to 2007. Without a flatfour or inline-five thundering through a forest, on TV, in the papers, the WRC and rallying in general will just fade away for all but the most committed follower. It's such a shame they're trying to moderate the most balls-out type of motor sport.

Still, it'll be a memorable one and if any of you have LoveFilm you can get the 2001 WRC season and watch that instead. It's a very special one as you will already know.

Edited by Ved on Thursday 10th November 13:01

squareflops

1,894 posts

212 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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I'll be in Sweet Lamb too, 4am start and a crate. Expect on stage schenanigans by 10am. Respectful and courteous schenanigans of course.

Hope it's not last year on Epynt though - first 10 cars... Bored. But it will be.

Yorkshirepud

136 posts

213 months

Thursday 10th November 2011
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I had just started to religiously watch the Dave coverage the past couple of years and then it went.

Something needs to be done to stop things going terrible in this country and having to pay Sky Sports Tax to follow any sport.