Mikko Hirvonen replaces Sebastien Ogier at Citroen
Mikko Hirvonen replaces Sebastien Ogier at Citroen
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Mini1275

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211 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Mikko Hirvonen will join long-time championship rival Sebastian Loeb at the Citroen team next year, it was confirmed on Wednesday.

The 31-year-old Finn had been competing with Ford in the World Rally Championship since the 2003 season, having scored 14 wins in total.

Hirvonen has finished runner-up to Loeb in the championship three times over the past four years.

The Finn will replace Sebastien Ogier at Citroen, the Frenchman expected to be confirmed at Ford.

"Initially contracted until December 2013, Citroen Racing has finally decided to finish their collaboration with Sebastien Ogier and Julien Ingrassia at the end of the 2011 season," Citroen said in a statement.

The French car maker said Hirvonen has signed a two-year deal until the end of 2013.

"Seeing Sebastien Ogier and Julien Ingrassia leave strikes a particular emotional chord in the whole team," said Citroen team principal Olivier Quesnel.

"Citroen Racing trained them, first of all in the JWRC and then in the Citroen Junior Team and the Citroen Total World Rally Team.

"They had a very good season with five victories and third place in the Drivers' World Championship, and they made a productive contribution to the conquest of the manufacturers' title alongside Sebastien Loeb and Daniel Elena who have claimed their eighth consecutive world crown, a unique achievement in motorsport.

"Now, we're very happy to welcome Mikko Hirvonen and Jarmo Lehtinen. They've been our toughest rivals over the last four seasons and we're really looking forward to our future collaboration. Mikko is a talented driver and his consistency will be a big help in our fight to retain the manufacturers' title."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96263




It will be interesting seeing what Hirvonen can do in the same car as Loeb, I personally still think Loeb will have the upper hand. Plus he'll still be the teams number one.

Occam's Razor

140 posts

201 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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A bit of a strange move, there have been rumours about this going around for ages. I wonder if he was pushed by Ford, for not being able to beat Loeb? Ogier has such strong links at Citroen too, coming through the same driver development plan as Loeb, often touted as his successor.

So... Ogier to VW or Ford?

My money is on Latvala for next year.

stew-S160

8,020 posts

267 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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If you can't beat em, join em!

anonymous-user

83 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Occam's Razor said:
A bit of a strange move, there have been rumours about this going around for ages. I wonder if he was pushed by Ford, for not being able to beat Loeb? Ogier has such strong links at Citroen too, coming through the same driver development plan as Loeb, often touted as his successor.

So... Ogier to VW or Ford?

My money is on Latvala for next year.
I guess burying his fiesta WRC into the hedgerow fubaring the radiator and ending his chances of being world champ didn't help matters at Ford

Allyc85

7,225 posts

215 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Its no surprise to me, its been common knowledge that Loeb hasnt been happy with Ogier for a while now and Hirvonen is the perfect person to pick up manufacturer points, the odd win, and play the team game if need be.

Interesting that Loeb and Hirvonen have contracts till 2013, I wonder if Citreon will pull out then wink

EDLT

15,421 posts

235 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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The Ford has been fundementally slower than the Citroen for years, I'm surprised he didn't jump sooner. Solberg in Hirvonen's seat please, he deserves a decent drive.

anonymous-user

83 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Allyc85 said:
Its no surprise to me, its been common knowledge that Loeb hasnt been happy with Ogier for a while now and Hirvonen is the perfect person to pick up manufacturer points, the odd win, and play the team game if need be.

Interesting that Loeb and Hirvonen have contracts till 2013, I wonder if Citreon will pull out then wink
More than likely, Loeb will be 10 times world champ, and call it a day before moving to GT racing, and Mikko Hirvonen will be by then, a thoroughly broken man i reckon

DanDC5

19,992 posts

196 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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snowy slopes said:
More than likely, Loeb will be 10 times world champ, and call it a day before moving to GT racing, and Mikko Hirvonen will be by then, a thoroughly broken man i reckon
This was pretty much my 1st thought.

anonymous-user

83 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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DanDC5 said:
snowy slopes said:
More than likely, Loeb will be 10 times world champ, and call it a day before moving to GT racing, and Mikko Hirvonen will be by then, a thoroughly broken man i reckon
This was pretty much my 1st thought.
Yep, as it stands i can't see anyone beating him for the next 2 years, and then when he's put the number of titles out of reach, he'll ps off, and Hirvonend will be so so freaked out, he'll become an also ran i think

DanDC5

19,992 posts

196 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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I can't see any potential car/driver/team oombo either in or due to enter the WRC that will stop Loeb winning another 2 titles at least. It's part of the reason why the WRC has lost it imo. The lack of support from manufacturer's is still pretty poor, but at least it's improving.

Streps

2,457 posts

195 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Will it self destruct citroen from the inside out..
Ogier was not happy with team orders with them... will Hirvonen be?

anonymous-user

83 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Streps said:
Will it self destruct citroen from the inside out..
Ogier was not happy with team orders with them... will Hirvonen be?
He'll have been let in on the masterplan, Loeb wins two more titles, then retires to GT racing. What they failed to mention is, that once he's gone, they probably will too

joema

2,753 posts

208 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Ogier is going to get a good deal going to ford I reckon. Been thinking for a while now Ford need to snap someone like ogier up.

Allyc85

7,225 posts

215 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Ogier and Latvala is one bloody fast line up, I just hope the car is good enough next year and that Seb can learn to accept team orders if need be, even if his open opinions are quite refreshing sometimes!

ArnageWRC

2,332 posts

188 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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The fly in the ointment for M-Sport, is that Ford haven't committed to 2012 yet - and Abu Dhabi have pulled their £8M sponsorship. How will they afford Ogier, who will want big money - unless he goes to VW for a huge pay packet, accepts taking next year out, testing & developing the Polo R WRC, and maybe appearances in the Skoda Fabia S2000 in IRC, S-WRC......Meanwhile M-Sport have Ott Tanak to play back up to J-M L........

Sprint Rich

118 posts

210 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Mikko, Sebastien is faster than you...............

Life Saab Itch

37,069 posts

217 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Mini1275 said:
"Mikko is a talented driver and his consistency will be a big help in our fight to retain the manufacturers' title."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96263
Quite.

weyland yutani

1,410 posts

193 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Quite suprised by this actually, Ogier at Ford seems even stranger. I can't see Hirvonen beating Loeb even with the same equipment.

Latvala will be the one to watch next year if his consistancy continues to improve, he certainly has the raw pace.

300KPH

172 posts

207 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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Sebastien Ogier should really learn to keep his mouth shut, he had a contract with Citroen until December 2013 and he has thrown it away? There are currently only two full works WRC cars confirmed for all rounds in 2012, thats the 2 citroens.

Wilson does not have the Ford contract rubber stamped yet, is losing the Abu Dhabi sponsorship and I dont think any body believes the Fiesta is consistantly better than the Citroen. The Mini is only doing a partial campaign in 2012 as I understand they havnt a title sponsor sorted and BMW are putting a lot of effort into their new DTM car.

Even if Ford push the button I dont think they will have a fortune to spend on a Driver like Ogier. Surely he will go to Volkswagen now but spend effectively 12 months testing instead.

He could have stayed with Citroen, probably won 4 or 5 rallys next year and still managed the jump to Volkswagen for 2013 seeing as he doesnt seem overly bothered about throwing away contracts. Now he has a year in the doldrums either way, non stop testing with a new manufacturer or trying to pedal a car with 90% of the speed of his old one.

But, and its a big one, if he does go with Ford next year and puts an end to Loebs run of titles.......

yorkshirephil

211 posts

188 months

Wednesday 16th November 2011
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EDLT said:
The Ford has been fundementally slower than the Citroen for years, I'm surprised he didn't jump sooner. Solberg in Hirvonen's seat please, he deserves a decent drive.
Really?

And no chance!!