Who Negotiated This?
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Who was the BBC's negotiator when the races were chosen that the BBC would broadcast? I can't help but think that they got an incredibly bad deal from it.
Melbourne 18 March (Sky)
Sepang 25 March (Sky)
Shanghai 15 April (BBC / Sky)
Sakhir 22 April (Sky)
Barcelona 13 May (BBC / Sky)
Monte Carlo 27 May (BBC / Sky)
Montreal 10 June (Sky)
Valencia 24 June (BBC / Sky
Silverstone 8 July (BBC / Sky)
Hockenheim 22 July (Sky)
Budapest 29 July (Sky)
Spa 2 September (BBC / Sky)
Monza 9 September (Sky)
Marina Bay 23 September (BBC / Sky)
Suzuka 7 October (Sky)
Yeongnam 14 October (BBC / Sky)
Greater Noida 28 October (Sky)
Abu Dhabi 4 November (BBC / Sky)
Austin 18 November (Sky)
Sao Paulo 25 November (BBC / Sky)
Out of those only Monaco, Silverstone, Spa and Sao Paulo have the prospect of being a decent race/viewing. The others are non-events on non-circuits, at least one of which might not even be a race next year.
What a joke.
Melbourne 18 March (Sky)
Sepang 25 March (Sky)
Shanghai 15 April (BBC / Sky)
Sakhir 22 April (Sky)
Barcelona 13 May (BBC / Sky)
Monte Carlo 27 May (BBC / Sky)
Montreal 10 June (Sky)
Valencia 24 June (BBC / Sky
Silverstone 8 July (BBC / Sky)
Hockenheim 22 July (Sky)
Budapest 29 July (Sky)
Spa 2 September (BBC / Sky)
Monza 9 September (Sky)
Marina Bay 23 September (BBC / Sky)
Suzuka 7 October (Sky)
Yeongnam 14 October (BBC / Sky)
Greater Noida 28 October (Sky)
Abu Dhabi 4 November (BBC / Sky)
Austin 18 November (Sky)
Sao Paulo 25 November (BBC / Sky)
Out of those only Monaco, Silverstone, Spa and Sao Paulo have the prospect of being a decent race/viewing. The others are non-events on non-circuits, at least one of which might not even be a race next year.
What a joke.
onomatopoeia said:
They should have got Monza, Suzuka and Montreal in addition to the four you list, other than that I'm not fussed. If the Australians would hold their GP at Bathurst then I'd be more interested in that one.
Quite. They should have priority as they are actually the rights holder. Sky, as the sub-let, should have got what they were given.Seems to me as though the viewers have been royally shafted by the BBC. Thanks a bunch.
Having seen that list it looks as though i now have no choice other than to fill the Murdochs bank account with even more money if i want to continue wtching F1 as i have done since god knows when.
The BBC have sold the fans down the river havent they. b
ds.
Still at least we will get to watch the bloody tennis at Wimbledon in it's entirety wont we? Yawn yawn yawn.
Having seen that list it looks as though i now have no choice other than to fill the Murdochs bank account with even more money if i want to continue wtching F1 as i have done since god knows when.
The BBC have sold the fans down the river havent they. b
ds.Still at least we will get to watch the bloody tennis at Wimbledon in it's entirety wont we? Yawn yawn yawn.
pablo said:
BBC made it clear early on their "must have" races were Silverstone, Monaco and Brazil so immediately lost any bargaining power they might have had. All Sky had to do was agree to that and then tell the BBC to poke off. .
The BBC could quite easily have said we want the european races (except the spanish ones) + Canada and Brasil.Whoever did this was a complete and utter muppet.
pablo said:
BBC made it clear early on their "must have" races were Silverstone, Monaco and Brazil so immediately lost any bargaining power they might have had. All Sky had to do was agree to that and then tell the BBC to poke off. .
As already mentioned, the BBC are the rights holder and sub-let them to Sky. Therefore they should have had the upper hand in the negotiations. Obviously without knowing what the contracts actually state and the basis of them it is difficult to comment but I can't see why the BBC didn't use the fact that the teams absolutely want (and apparently the concorde agreement states) that races should be shown on free to air TV to ensure they could show all the races live and Sky could do the same. It would then be up to Sky to provide something better than the BBC do to attract viewers, maybe they don't think they can do that and don't want the competition.The trouble is, as a very long term F1 fan I am very happy to get up for 6am race starts, actually preferring the fact that then leaves me the day free. Now for watching Australia I will need to avoid all media for the morning and lose time in the middle of the day. And before anyone says it, I don't want Sky, I rarely watch TV so paying a minimum of £32.50 per month when all I would watch is F1 is more than I am prepared to pay.
Who negotiated this? Either;
1. A dribbling mong
2. Someone who knows nothing about F1
There is a 3rd possibility in that it's a deliberate ploy to destroy the viewing numbers and then allow the Beeb to get shot of the whole lot.
Cynical? Me...
I've lost a lot of respect for the BBC recently over this and a few other penny pinching things that have dumbed their content down to levels that I've never seen them plumb before.
1. A dribbling mong
2. Someone who knows nothing about F1
There is a 3rd possibility in that it's a deliberate ploy to destroy the viewing numbers and then allow the Beeb to get shot of the whole lot.
Cynical? Me...
I've lost a lot of respect for the BBC recently over this and a few other penny pinching things that have dumbed their content down to levels that I've never seen them plumb before.
Errrmmmmm we have known for a long time which races the BBC were to show live and there wasa complicated method of doing it which I am sure is detailed in the other thread. Basically they took turns at choosing the races they wanted (possibly in lots of 3) but couldnt have more than such a number in a row. Bearing in mindd the BBC always wanted the 3 mentioned the ones they have really is the best they were going to get.
I guess there could have been other methods used to determine who showed what or the BBC could have shown all, or all the European ones but that would have presumably meant Sky would pay less.
Personally I'll just not watch the races that aren't on the BBC.
I guess there could have been other methods used to determine who showed what or the BBC could have shown all, or all the European ones but that would have presumably meant Sky would pay less.
Personally I'll just not watch the races that aren't on the BBC.
This was discussed a while back on Radio LeMans. Was commented that a lot of the non-live BBC races are the fly-away early starts, and it was suggested that the live audiences on the Beeb would be relatively small compared to the traditional 1pm stuff and therefore a much better fit for the sorts of numbers Sky could expect. Don't know if I agree with that or not, but I can see a degree of logic in it. That said, very annoyed not to have Montreal and Suzuka live.
zac510 said:
Gazzab said:
F1 RIP
Are you glad that watching F1 has such a grip on your life that you can't handle to miss a race live?Not sure I understand your point regarding 'glad'.
I am, like many, sorry to see F1 go from the BBC. Live F1 on TV is exciting.
Personally I dont like highlights, re-runs etc.... I wont be watching Sky as I dont want it polluting my household, I wont be watching F1 anymore as watching alternate races is like skipping every other chapter in a book. Each chapter you read might be great but the book as a whole will be disappointing.
And no it didnt have a grip on my life as I would probably only spend max an hour watching a race unless it was looking good.
zac510 said:
Are you glad that watching F1 has such a grip on your life that you can't handle to miss a race live?
Once every two weeks.20 races.
It's not much to ask.
At least it's not football. My FIL watches every premier league match...not just his team, but every match in the league.
So yeah, I'm quite happy that when F1 is on, I want to watch it is.
That isn't ruling my life.
Life Saab Itch said:
Quite. They should have priority as they are actually the rights holder. Sky, as the sub-let, should have got what they were given.
Erm - no, in fact quite the opposite. The Beeb were desperate to sell on the rights so that they could butcher their sports budget without losing their favourite Tennis and Golf tournaments. Sky - as the only prospective buyer offering the kind of money that they were looking for and only interested if they got the lot - held plenty of cards in that negotiation I fear... Indeed, for Sky - having the BBC also screening it is likely a positive as it will sustain interest in the sport. As for which races they chose - that will have been decided by ratings, not race quality.I am just shocked that so many people don't have any friends with Sky at whose house they will be welcome to watch the races - after all, anyone with Sky's most popular individual programme (the Sunday 4pm Premiership match) will be getting F1 at no extra charge...
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