F1 race spoiler: Poll relating to something that happened
F1 race spoiler: Poll relating to something that happened

Poll: F1 race spoiler: Poll relating to something that happened

Total Members Polled: 308

Were the team orders to back off from Ferrari: 25%
Did Perez simply overcook things?: 75%
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Asterix

Original Poster:

24,438 posts

257 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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Simple question to move this away from the race thread.

Yes or No?

sleep envy

62,260 posts

278 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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rofl

Bacofoil shares will go through the roof tomorrow.

Semi hemi

1,801 posts

227 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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Sergio Perez said:
"[Was the win possible?] I think so. I was catching Fernando towards end of the race. I knew I had to get him soon because in all the high speed corners I was losing my front tyres running behind him. Then I ran wide in the quick left hander. I touched the kerb and I went onto the dirty side of the track. It was completely wet and I lost the win. Today the win was possible. The team have done an incredible job. They called me [into the pits] always at the right time. Unfortunately Fernando pitted one lap earlier than us towards the end and he opened some gap. The pace was fantastic. I have to say many thanks to the team."
Lifted from the Beeb

If he was to yield he would have just needed to back offand sit on Alonsos tail. no point in a dramatic "off" that could cost him his second place

E30M3SE

8,493 posts

225 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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sleep envy said:
rofl

Bacofoil shares will go through the roof tomorrow.
laugh

RegMolehusband

4,113 posts

286 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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Semi hemi said:
Lifted from the Beeb

If he was to yield he would have just needed to back offand sit on Alonsos tail. no point in a dramatic "off" that could cost him his second place
Exactly right.

weyland yutani

1,410 posts

193 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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Phenomenal drive by him, he would have easily passed Alonso with DRS on the main straight within a couple of laps.

If his off was deliberate he has even more talent and car control than I thought, could have been race ending. Just driver error imo.

ZeeTacoe

5,444 posts

251 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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I think that Ferrari used hidden code (menu 13) to disable Perez's car. They did this all the way from their base in Maranello via satellite link.

stephen300o

15,464 posts

257 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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Reasonable ratio so far, I wonder how the BBC viewers who won't buy into the 'evil Sky machine' will effect the pole latter.. ? biggrin

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

284 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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Driver error probably due to him taking in the message.

Asterix

Original Poster:

24,438 posts

257 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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I've reviewed my position and changed it - but only slightly.

I think the orders to remain in 2nd were to reduce the risk of a zero points haul. I also think there was also a word in someone's shell like from Ferrari to be aware that any overtly aggressive move by the Sauber would not be appreciated - not direct intervention as such but a little persuasion.

I don't think, however, Perez made the mistake because he was thinking about backing off. I think he made the mistake because he was still on it and was trying to get as close as possible to Alonso for the next shot at the DRS zone and went in too hot.

If the message was delayed by a minute or so, I don't think he would have still been trying to close at what is a very tough corner with a back marker involved (IIRC). He would have backed off already a few turns back and held station - I think Perez was actually ignoring the orders to play safe as he felt he could make a move stick without any undue fuss as he knew he had the faster car by some margin.

Hunky Dory

1,093 posts

234 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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Seriously, sometimes it just is what it looks like. He made a mistake.

Jeebus, life must be dull for some people to feel the need to invent this rubbish. rolleyes

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Asterix said:
I've reviewed my position and changed it - but only slightly.

I think the orders to remain in 2nd were to reduce the risk of a zero points haul..
Really? You think? wink

Edited by Hunky Dory on Sunday 25th March 15:01

Asterix

Original Poster:

24,438 posts

257 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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Hunky Dory said:
Seriously, sometimes it just is what it looks like. He made a mistake.

Jeebus, life must be dull for some people to feel the need to invent this rubbish. rolleyes

ETA

Asterix said:
I've reviewed my position and changed it - but only slightly.

I think the orders to remain in 2nd were to reduce the risk of a zero points haul..
Really? You think? wink

Edited by Hunky Dory on Sunday 25th March 15:01
Compared to my initial cry of foul? Yes, of course.

Look - Ferrari have been involved in the worst of the sport's manipulation and my initial thoughts are usually that they've done it again. But, as I said above, I still wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari had said something to Sauber without it being direct orders.

craigjm

21,381 posts

229 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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You wouldn't have gone off like that just maintained a distance. Why do people always have to go down the conspiracy theory route? jeez if its not aliens and moon landings its Ferrari in F1. Get a life and stop worrying about something, which in the grand scheme of the season ahead, is fairly insignificant. Now if it had been the last race and Alonso needed to win.....

smile

Semi hemi

1,801 posts

227 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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ZeeTacoe said:
I think that Ferrari used hidden code (menu 13) to disable Perez's car. They did this all the way from their base in Maranello via satellite link.
And you are a tube

deadslow

8,785 posts

252 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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lots of guys wearing collanders on their heads on this thread.biggrin

williamp

20,381 posts

302 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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Semi hemi said:
ZeeTacoe said:
I think that Ferrari used hidden code (menu 13) to disable Perez's car. They did this all the way from their base in Maranello via satellite link.
And you are a tube
I'm sure these are invovled too:


Well known to dislike mexican drivers in a Sauber.

stephen300o

15,464 posts

257 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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Semi hemi said:
ZeeTacoe said:
I think that Ferrari used hidden code (menu 13) to disable Perez's car. They did this all the way from their base in Maranello via satellite link.
And you are a tube
I think that was a joke.

The interview with Checo on the Beeb cleared it up for the doubters I feel.

FeelingLucky

1,183 posts

193 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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weyland yutani said:
Phenomenal drive by him, he would have easily passed Alonso with DRS on the main straight within a couple of laps.
He'd already had two attempts down the main straight using DRS, one with a FULL bag of KERS and one without. Alonso being aware of the danger also saved a full bag of KERS and deployed it at the same time.

Whilst "appearing" significantly faster than the Ferrari, I got the impression that the main straight may not be the place for Perez.

mollytherocker

14,457 posts

238 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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There were no direct team orders as such.

Its much more subtle and complicated than that.

MTR

Semi hemi

1,801 posts

227 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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williamp said:
I'm sure these are invovled too:


Well known to dislike mexican drivers in a Sauber.
What, Plonkers?