5 Different Teams Winning In The First 5 Races
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The misnomer is in the title. These are not races; they are merely rolls of the dice and so far no one has managed to roll a double.
To hear Button’s, Vettel’s and Webber’s after-race comments yesterday shows what a sorry state F1 has got itself into.
Sure the TV commentators have an interest in talking-up their ratings – but this is NOT racing as we have ever known it before.
However, very well done to both Pastor and Williams GP for the win.
To hear Button’s, Vettel’s and Webber’s after-race comments yesterday shows what a sorry state F1 has got itself into.
Sure the TV commentators have an interest in talking-up their ratings – but this is NOT racing as we have ever known it before.
However, very well done to both Pastor and Williams GP for the win.
FourWheelDrift said:
Replace Alboreto with Tambay at San Marino.
Oh.Looks like I need to brush up on my reading.
I nearly put Tambay/Arnoux, Ferrari, somewhere, but didn't as I couldn't remember if Arnoux was with Ferrari in 1983. :/
Alboreto's win must have been later in the year then.
Ok, to slightly differentiate the question, what year had the most teams winning a race?
I reckon 1983, 1982, 1977 or 1965.
The racing had got boring because the regulations forced reliability, engines and gearboxes having to last so many races. Before this you often had drivers nursing cars to the end of a race, eg Clark in the Lotus 43 at Watkins Glen in 1966 with his BRM H-16 engine on life support. Or Michael Schumacher in Spain in 1994 nursing his car to the flag with only 5th gear.
The tyres are bringing an artificial reliability twist to the races in the sane way as the above examples or turning the boost up on a turbo car and risking it blowing.
The tyres are bringing an artificial reliability twist to the races in the sane way as the above examples or turning the boost up on a turbo car and risking it blowing.
rdjohn said:
The misnomer is in the title. These are not races; they are merely rolls of the dice and so far no one has managed to roll a double.
To hear Button’s, Vettel’s and Webber’s after-race comments yesterday shows what a sorry state F1 has got itself into.
Sure the TV commentators have an interest in talking-up their ratings – but this is NOT racing as we have ever known it before.
However, very well done to both Pastor and Williams GP for the win.
How did you view the situation in 1983 then?To hear Button’s, Vettel’s and Webber’s after-race comments yesterday shows what a sorry state F1 has got itself into.
Sure the TV commentators have an interest in talking-up their ratings – but this is NOT racing as we have ever known it before.
However, very well done to both Pastor and Williams GP for the win.
FourWheelDrift said:
The racing had got boring because the regulations forced reliability, engines and gearboxes having to last so many races. Before this you often had drivers nursing cars to the end of a race, eg Clark in the Lotus 43 at Watkins Glen in 1966 with his BRM H-16 engine on life support. Or Michael Schumacher in Spain in 1994 nursing his car to the flag with only 5th gear.
The tyres are bringing an artificial reliability twist to the races in the sane way as the above examples or turning the boost up on a turbo car and risking it blowing.
Oooh, a bit to add there... Clark's H16 was in rude health at the end of the US race, but it died 2 laps in to practice at Mexico for the next race. USGP 1967 is probably a better example as Clark's suspension was literally disintegrating for the last 2 laps.The tyres are bringing an artificial reliability twist to the races in the sane way as the above examples or turning the boost up on a turbo car and risking it blowing.
There are rumours...that in 1994 Schumacher's gears died for 5 laps, then they came back to life again. Looking at the GP re-run that was on the BBC red button not long ago it certainly sounds like he was changing gears, even if Muddy Talker was still saying that the 'box was broken....
Maybe a legend that no-one from Benetton "thought" to refute at the time...
Eric Mc said:
How did you view the situation in 1983 then?
A genuine sport, budgets and personnel were modest, in comparison. They would not have understood what driving to a Delta was and would probably have had no interest in finding out as they were too busy just ensuring the car stayed on the black bit.Now teams spend fortunes and talented engineers have datalinks to VAX computers for their strategies. Drivers have been weaned, from early days, to hone their incredible skills, but they are now all scratching their heads because of the Mickey Mouse tyres which have made the race outcome a lottery.
Life Saab Itch said:
Oooh, a bit to add there... Clark's H16 was in rude health at the end of the US race, but it died 2 laps in to practice at Mexico for the next race. USGP 1967 is probably a better example as Clark's suspension was literally disintegrating for the last 2 laps.
I was probably thinking about him managing to get it to the finish without it breaking. Although some might say it was never working properly to begin with 
rdjohn said:
Eric Mc said:
How did you view the situation in 1983 then?
A genuine sport, budgets and personnel were modest, in comparison. They would not have understood what driving to a Delta was and would probably have had no interest in finding out as they were too busy just ensuring the car stayed on the black bit.Now teams spend fortunes and talented engineers have datalinks to VAX computers for their strategies. Drivers have been weaned, from early days, to hone their incredible skills, but they are now all scratching their heads because of the Mickey Mouse tyres which have made the race outcome a lottery.
Indeed, part of the reason 1983 had such an unpredictable start to the season was because there were MASSIVE changes to the aero-regs from 1982 and many teams took at least six months into the 1983 season to truly understand how to get to grips (literally) with much reduced downforce.
For the past 20 years or so, Formula 1 has been about STOPPING engineers from developing ultra-fast, ultra relioable and ultra-efficient machines that would make for the dullest, boring and predictable racing.
In fact, the engioneers would have a whale of a time whilst the fans found their motor s[port thrills elsewhere.
Eric Mc said:
And that is the key difference between know and then. Cars were unreliable back in 1983 because the engineers didn't REALLY know what they were doing - in comparison to today. But don't forget, they were doing their best and they were working to constantly changing regulations, even then.
Indeed, part of the reason 1983 had such an unpredictable start to the season was because there were MASSIVE changes to the aero-regs from 1982 and many teams took at least six months into the 1983 season to truly understand how to get to grips (literally) with much reduced downforce.
For the past 20 years or so, Formula 1 has been about STOPPING engineers from developing ultra-fast, ultra relioable and ultra-efficient machines that would make for the dullest, boring and predictable racing.
In fact, the engioneers would have a whale of a time whilst the fans found their motor s[port thrills elsewhere.
Regs are part of the game, right from the start of motorsports history, I remember looking at an old Alfa Romeo from the 30s (6c varient) which had to be altered to compete due to changing regs, even then various things were banned, new rules put in, its part of the sport.Indeed, part of the reason 1983 had such an unpredictable start to the season was because there were MASSIVE changes to the aero-regs from 1982 and many teams took at least six months into the 1983 season to truly understand how to get to grips (literally) with much reduced downforce.
For the past 20 years or so, Formula 1 has been about STOPPING engineers from developing ultra-fast, ultra relioable and ultra-efficient machines that would make for the dullest, boring and predictable racing.
In fact, the engioneers would have a whale of a time whilst the fans found their motor s[port thrills elsewhere.
Im happiest when its a level playing field, because thats when the best racing happens, Id rather be a driver remembered for say 5-6 GP wins in a time when the racing was so close, rather than a 3 times champion having the reputation of 'only winning because of his car/team'.
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