McLaren’s Dropped Points This Season
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Read this piece in the Newspaper today, interesting how bad Mclaren have been this season.
MALAYSIAN GP: Hamilton has a problem with the rear left wheel and rear jack during a tyre change. Mechanics then struggle to remove sticky tape from the front brakes. He starts first but ends in third. (Potential Points Lost: 10)
CHINESE GP: Hamilton suffers a gearbox problem and is hit with a five-place grid penalty, moving him down from second to seventh on the grid. He finishes third. (Potential Points Lost: 10)
CHINESE GP: Button has a slow pit stop due to a problem with the rear left wheel. He starts fifth but ends second. (Potential Points Lost: 7)
BAHRAIN GP: Hamilton has a problem with the rear left wheel during a change and then has another slow stop, with the same area causing a problem. He starts in second and finishes Eighth. (Potential Points Lost: 14)
BAHRAIN GP: Button qualified in fourth but has an exhaust problem, then a puncture, then engine trouble before retiring. (Potential Points Lost: 12)
SPANISH GP: Hamilton is sent from the front to the back of the grid after McLaren failed to provide him with enough fuel for qualifying and to supply a sample for testing. He finishes eighth. (Potential Points Lost: 21)
ITALIAN GP: Button qualified in second but is forced to retire on the 32nd lap with a fuel pressure problem. (Potential Points Lost: 18)
SINGAPORE GP: Hamilton was leading when his McLaren developed a gearbox problem on the 23rd lap causing him to retire. (Potential Points Lost: 25)
JAPANESE GP: Hamilton complains of a rollbar problem which means he only qualified in ninth place. He finishes in fifth place. (Potential Points Lost: 15)
KOREAN GP: Hamilton qualified in third place but another rollball issue means he finishes in 10th. (Potential Points Lost: 14)
ABU DHABI GP: Hamilton starts on pole but is forced to retire while in the lead with a fuel pump problem. (Potential Points Lost: 25)
MALAYSIAN GP: Hamilton has a problem with the rear left wheel and rear jack during a tyre change. Mechanics then struggle to remove sticky tape from the front brakes. He starts first but ends in third. (Potential Points Lost: 10)
CHINESE GP: Hamilton suffers a gearbox problem and is hit with a five-place grid penalty, moving him down from second to seventh on the grid. He finishes third. (Potential Points Lost: 10)
CHINESE GP: Button has a slow pit stop due to a problem with the rear left wheel. He starts fifth but ends second. (Potential Points Lost: 7)
BAHRAIN GP: Hamilton has a problem with the rear left wheel during a change and then has another slow stop, with the same area causing a problem. He starts in second and finishes Eighth. (Potential Points Lost: 14)
BAHRAIN GP: Button qualified in fourth but has an exhaust problem, then a puncture, then engine trouble before retiring. (Potential Points Lost: 12)
SPANISH GP: Hamilton is sent from the front to the back of the grid after McLaren failed to provide him with enough fuel for qualifying and to supply a sample for testing. He finishes eighth. (Potential Points Lost: 21)
ITALIAN GP: Button qualified in second but is forced to retire on the 32nd lap with a fuel pressure problem. (Potential Points Lost: 18)
SINGAPORE GP: Hamilton was leading when his McLaren developed a gearbox problem on the 23rd lap causing him to retire. (Potential Points Lost: 25)
JAPANESE GP: Hamilton complains of a rollbar problem which means he only qualified in ninth place. He finishes in fifth place. (Potential Points Lost: 15)
KOREAN GP: Hamilton qualified in third place but another rollball issue means he finishes in 10th. (Potential Points Lost: 14)
ABU DHABI GP: Hamilton starts on pole but is forced to retire while in the lead with a fuel pump problem. (Potential Points Lost: 25)
spitfire-ian said:
A bit of a misleading list really. Who is to say they would have gone on to win in all those occasions? Could quite easily say that Marussia's potential points lost for every race was 25 had they had a better car!
Hmmm, not sure how its misleading to be honest. And very true that they may not have won those races but they would have finished higher in the points. I think the main point of the piece was the vast majority of the races have been affeted by elements outside the actual drivers ability.Wanta996Gotta said:
Read this piece in the Newspaper today, interesting how bad Mclaren have been this season.
MALAYSIAN GP: Hamilton has a problem with the rear left wheel and rear jack during a tyre change. Mechanics then struggle to remove sticky tape from the front brakes. He starts first but ends in third. (Potential Points Lost: 10)
CHINESE GP: Hamilton suffers a gearbox problem and is hit with a five-place grid penalty, moving him down from second to seventh on the grid. He finishes third. (Potential Points Lost: 10)
CHINESE GP: Button has a slow pit stop due to a problem with the rear left wheel. He starts fifth but ends second. (Potential Points Lost: 7)
BAHRAIN GP: Hamilton has a problem with the rear left wheel during a change and then has another slow stop, with the same area causing a problem. He starts in second and finishes Eighth. (Potential Points Lost: 14)
BAHRAIN GP: Button qualified in fourth but has an exhaust problem, then a puncture, then engine trouble before retiring. (Potential Points Lost: 12)
SPANISH GP: Hamilton is sent from the front to the back of the grid after McLaren failed to provide him with enough fuel for qualifying and to supply a sample for testing. He finishes eighth. (Potential Points Lost: 21)
ITALIAN GP: Button qualified in second but is forced to retire on the 32nd lap with a fuel pressure problem. (Potential Points Lost: 18)
SINGAPORE GP: Hamilton was leading when his McLaren developed a gearbox problem on the 23rd lap causing him to retire. (Potential Points Lost: 25)
JAPANESE GP: Hamilton complains of a rollbar problem which means he only qualified in ninth place. He finishes in fifth place. (Potential Points Lost: 15)
KOREAN GP: Hamilton qualified in third place but another rollball issue means he finishes in 10th. (Potential Points Lost: 14)
ABU DHABI GP: Hamilton starts on pole but is forced to retire while in the lead with a fuel pump problem. (Potential Points Lost: 25)
Add up the lost points above (and some are a bit silly btw - there's no way Button was getting anywhere near Rosberg in China even with the best pit stop ever), thehn add up the same for Red Bull and see who's on top.MALAYSIAN GP: Hamilton has a problem with the rear left wheel and rear jack during a tyre change. Mechanics then struggle to remove sticky tape from the front brakes. He starts first but ends in third. (Potential Points Lost: 10)
CHINESE GP: Hamilton suffers a gearbox problem and is hit with a five-place grid penalty, moving him down from second to seventh on the grid. He finishes third. (Potential Points Lost: 10)
CHINESE GP: Button has a slow pit stop due to a problem with the rear left wheel. He starts fifth but ends second. (Potential Points Lost: 7)
BAHRAIN GP: Hamilton has a problem with the rear left wheel during a change and then has another slow stop, with the same area causing a problem. He starts in second and finishes Eighth. (Potential Points Lost: 14)
BAHRAIN GP: Button qualified in fourth but has an exhaust problem, then a puncture, then engine trouble before retiring. (Potential Points Lost: 12)
SPANISH GP: Hamilton is sent from the front to the back of the grid after McLaren failed to provide him with enough fuel for qualifying and to supply a sample for testing. He finishes eighth. (Potential Points Lost: 21)
ITALIAN GP: Button qualified in second but is forced to retire on the 32nd lap with a fuel pressure problem. (Potential Points Lost: 18)
SINGAPORE GP: Hamilton was leading when his McLaren developed a gearbox problem on the 23rd lap causing him to retire. (Potential Points Lost: 25)
JAPANESE GP: Hamilton complains of a rollbar problem which means he only qualified in ninth place. He finishes in fifth place. (Potential Points Lost: 15)
KOREAN GP: Hamilton qualified in third place but another rollball issue means he finishes in 10th. (Potential Points Lost: 14)
ABU DHABI GP: Hamilton starts on pole but is forced to retire while in the lead with a fuel pump problem. (Potential Points Lost: 25)
I suspect it is still Red Bull and Vettel.
As a long time Mclaren supporter i am in despair and it does not bode well for next year!
If it was not for the fact that they were pretty bad earlier in the season , I would look at Hamiltons run of appalling luck since the Mercedes anouncement with suspicion.
As for nxt year with the far to complicated operating system, Mission control? etc, i can not see any improovement happening.
Sadly Jenson can only do well if the car is 100% and Perez will have to stop hitting all and sundry to do any good.
I can see the them dropping down the order which may be like this.
RED BULL thats a gimme
FERRARI Alonso and Massa continuing to get his form back
LOTUS Kimi being Kimi and Grogean improoving
MERCEDES Hamilton will be fired up to beat us and capable of dragging the slower car and Rosberg with him.
And then us. Hopefully with a car that suits Jenson otherwise we are in the mire!
If it was not for the fact that they were pretty bad earlier in the season , I would look at Hamiltons run of appalling luck since the Mercedes anouncement with suspicion.
As for nxt year with the far to complicated operating system, Mission control? etc, i can not see any improovement happening.
Sadly Jenson can only do well if the car is 100% and Perez will have to stop hitting all and sundry to do any good.
I can see the them dropping down the order which may be like this.
RED BULL thats a gimme
FERRARI Alonso and Massa continuing to get his form back
LOTUS Kimi being Kimi and Grogean improoving
MERCEDES Hamilton will be fired up to beat us and capable of dragging the slower car and Rosberg with him.
And then us. Hopefully with a car that suits Jenson otherwise we are in the mire!
Dunit said:
As a long time Mclaren supporter i am in despair and it does not bode well for next year!
If it was not for the fact that they were pretty bad earlier in the season , I would look at Hamiltons run of appalling luck since the Mercedes anouncement with suspicion.
As for nxt year with the far to complicated operating system, Mission control? etc, i can not see any improovement happening.
Sadly Jenson can only do well if the car is 100% and Perez will have to stop hitting all and sundry to do any good.
I can see the them dropping down the order which may be like this.
RED BULL thats a gimme
FERRARI Alonso and Massa continuing to get his form back
LOTUS Kimi being Kimi and Grogean improoving
MERCEDES Hamilton will be fired up to beat us and capable of dragging the slower car and Rosberg with him.
And then us. Hopefully with a car that suits Jenson otherwise we are in the mire!
I agree, Vettel to win his fourth title next year. Engine changes in 2014 could open things up a bit but i cant see anyone but Redbull winning this year and next.If it was not for the fact that they were pretty bad earlier in the season , I would look at Hamiltons run of appalling luck since the Mercedes anouncement with suspicion.
As for nxt year with the far to complicated operating system, Mission control? etc, i can not see any improovement happening.
Sadly Jenson can only do well if the car is 100% and Perez will have to stop hitting all and sundry to do any good.
I can see the them dropping down the order which may be like this.
RED BULL thats a gimme
FERRARI Alonso and Massa continuing to get his form back
LOTUS Kimi being Kimi and Grogean improoving
MERCEDES Hamilton will be fired up to beat us and capable of dragging the slower car and Rosberg with him.
And then us. Hopefully with a car that suits Jenson otherwise we are in the mire!
They should have won both championships this year.
Lewis has driven rather well and hasn't made any mistakes on track. He should be leading the championship, instead he's leaving the team. McLaren's loss, they won't know what they had until it's gone, especially if they build an average to poor car.
As I said in another thread, it's unbelievable how a team like McLaren can mess up so badly in so many different ways with both of their drivers.
Lewis has driven rather well and hasn't made any mistakes on track. He should be leading the championship, instead he's leaving the team. McLaren's loss, they won't know what they had until it's gone, especially if they build an average to poor car.
As I said in another thread, it's unbelievable how a team like McLaren can mess up so badly in so many different ways with both of their drivers.
Wanta996Gotta said:
djstevec said:
PW said:
I can't imagine McLaren ever having a season like Red Bull did in 2011, where they just can't help but win
1988?15 wins in 16 races?
In other words, each team has a "purple patch" where their car is dominant and times when it isnt. The longer you're in a sport, the more you'll have of those two periods.
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king curse!RJB_666 said:
It is mad that McLaren have had so many balls ups! Should never of had the same suspension problem 2 weeks running! Been a gradual decline ever since Ron Dennis stepped down.
Er, not really.When Whitmarsh took over McLaren had won precisely no constructors' titles and two drivers' titles in a decade.
Wanta996Gotta said:
spitfire-ian said:
A bit of a misleading list really. Who is to say they would have gone on to win in all those occasions? Could quite easily say that Marussia's potential points lost for every race was 25 had they had a better car!
Hmmm, not sure how its misleading to be honest. And very true that they may not have won those races but they would have finished higher in the points. I think the main point of the piece was the vast majority of the races have been affeted by elements outside the actual drivers ability.Finally, look at how many engine/gearbox issues there have been this year, so I think it's fair to exclude those as many have struggled. In reality, it's only pit stops issues that I think are avoidable problems, and mechanical failures (excluding engine/gearbox) are their fault but they happen and can't be avoided entirely.
Nick1point9 said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
spitfire-ian said:
A bit of a misleading list really. Who is to say they would have gone on to win in all those occasions? Could quite easily say that Marussia's potential points lost for every race was 25 had they had a better car!
Hmmm, not sure how its misleading to be honest. And very true that they may not have won those races but they would have finished higher in the points. I think the main point of the piece was the vast majority of the races have been affeted by elements outside the actual drivers ability.Finally, look at how many engine/gearbox issues there have been this year, so I think it's fair to exclude those as many have struggled. In reality, it's only pit stops issues that I think are avoidable problems, and mechanical failures (excluding engine/gearbox) are their fault but they happen and can't be avoided entirely.
Feel free to tell me any other driver this year that has had as many non inflicted faults. Schumi maybe?
If anything the post shows the minimum points he has lost through no fault of his own. So how you can call it misleading is strange IMO.
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