Michael Schumacher all over again
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Grenoble said:
What are you gibbering about?
I think the fact that we had no certainty over who would win that race until the closing laps?
- or indeed last year, where it came down to the wire - is a good indicator that we are in anything but the Schumacher type era of domination.
Gibbering? Are you feeling ok?I think the fact that we had no certainty over who would win that race until the closing laps?
- or indeed last year, where it came down to the wire - is a good indicator that we are in anything but the Schumacher type era of domination.
It was an observation. Did you follow F1 in the Schumacher Days? If you did like me you won't want a repeat of the that!
Melman Giraffe said:
Gibbering? Are you feeling ok?
It was an observation. Did you follow F1 in the Schumacher Days? If you did like me you won't want a repeat of the that!
I did, been following since 84.It was an observation. Did you follow F1 in the Schumacher Days? If you did like me you won't want a repeat of the that!
I agree that we don't want to see it again, I just can't see anything last season or this season that reminded me of the Ferrari whitewash era...
Melman Giraffe said:
Even though Seb didn't win the race yesterday I couldn't help but think are we heading for another Schumacher era all over again?
I hope not!
Although Seb has won the last 3, only one was a dominating season. The other 2 were very much battles to the end, pretty much. Far from the Schumey era. I hope not!
Grenoble said:
Melman Giraffe said:
Gibbering? Are you feeling ok?
It was an observation. Did you follow F1 in the Schumacher Days? If you did like me you won't want a repeat of the that!
I did, been following since 84.It was an observation. Did you follow F1 in the Schumacher Days? If you did like me you won't want a repeat of the that!
I agree that we don't want to see it again, I just can't see anything last season or this season that reminded me of the Ferrari whitewash era...
If the next few seasons a decided anywhere near as close as last season was....I wouldn't care if Vettel won them all! At least it would have gone to the wire each time, and been nail biting each time.
That was what the Schumacher era lacked.
Not even slightly, OK, maybe a bit, but it' just not the same IMHO.
Back in the dark days of the Schumacher years (just my opinion) not only was MS in a different league to everyone else, his team, his sponsors and the FIA would move heaven and earth to ensure he stayed there.
The cars were so advanced that they could do whole races on a set of tyres if only they were allowed and every driver aid science could offer to stop them ever getting out of shape ever, they could complete lap, after lap after lap perfectly, the only thing they couldn't do was drive within 20 car lengths of the one in front.
The best thing about F1 in that era was you could sleep off a hangover to it, honestly, watch the start and the end and you saw the whole thing, overtaking was laughable, a single overtake that didn't involve a pit-stop or sick car was earth shattering news.
Yes 'Seb' has won three on the bounce, but there's nothing like the dominance and it could just have easily been just the one.
Back in the dark days of the Schumacher years (just my opinion) not only was MS in a different league to everyone else, his team, his sponsors and the FIA would move heaven and earth to ensure he stayed there.
The cars were so advanced that they could do whole races on a set of tyres if only they were allowed and every driver aid science could offer to stop them ever getting out of shape ever, they could complete lap, after lap after lap perfectly, the only thing they couldn't do was drive within 20 car lengths of the one in front.
The best thing about F1 in that era was you could sleep off a hangover to it, honestly, watch the start and the end and you saw the whole thing, overtaking was laughable, a single overtake that didn't involve a pit-stop or sick car was earth shattering news.
Yes 'Seb' has won three on the bounce, but there's nothing like the dominance and it could just have easily been just the one.
Evangelion said:
I'd have no problems about returning to the Schumacher era.
It's the late 80s-early 90s McLaren era I'd hate to live through again.
Late 80's where Senna and Prost were at eachothers throats for championships?It's the late 80s-early 90s McLaren era I'd hate to live through again.
Early 90's where Senna was pulling off some great battles with the extremely advanced Renault William's cars and on occasions beating them?
Why did you not enjoy that era?
Entirely absurd thread.
The reason that the "Schumacher era" to many, was so toxic, is because the Stain was a cheat, the antics of Fiat were not entirely pleasant either.
The simple fact remains, that Herr Vettel, is by no menas a cheat, thus the paralells are invalid.
Whilst Seb is not ny own personal first choice for champ, its no reason to decry brilliant performances from a brilliant driver, supported of course by a inventive, competetive team, who display little of the histrionics displayed by Fiat during the stain era, and which they appear to have retained to a certain extent, if the rather nasty little allegations they made post the Brazil GP last year, are anything to go by.
The reason that the "Schumacher era" to many, was so toxic, is because the Stain was a cheat, the antics of Fiat were not entirely pleasant either.
The simple fact remains, that Herr Vettel, is by no menas a cheat, thus the paralells are invalid.
Whilst Seb is not ny own personal first choice for champ, its no reason to decry brilliant performances from a brilliant driver, supported of course by a inventive, competetive team, who display little of the histrionics displayed by Fiat during the stain era, and which they appear to have retained to a certain extent, if the rather nasty little allegations they made post the Brazil GP last year, are anything to go by.
Edited by Cheese Mechanic on Monday 18th March 17:49
Cheese Mechanic said:
Entirely absurd thread.
The reason that the "Schumacher era" to many, was so toxic, is because the Stain was a cheat, the antics of Fiat were not entirely pleasant either.
The simple fact remains, that Herr Vettel, is by no menas a cheat, thus the paralells are invalid.
Whilst Seb is not ny own personal first choice for champ, its no reason to decry brilliant performances from a brilliant driver, supported of course by a inventive, competetive team, who display little of the histrionics displayed by Fiat during the stain era, and which they appear to have retained to a certain extent, if the rather nasty little allegations they made post the Brazil GP last year, are anything to go by.
Hmm. I doubt you can prove that Seb has not cheated and never run in an illegal car. Fact is most of the ex WCs on the grid are proven cheats and there is no reason to think he is any different.The reason that the "Schumacher era" to many, was so toxic, is because the Stain was a cheat, the antics of Fiat were not entirely pleasant either.
The simple fact remains, that Herr Vettel, is by no menas a cheat, thus the paralells are invalid.
Whilst Seb is not ny own personal first choice for champ, its no reason to decry brilliant performances from a brilliant driver, supported of course by a inventive, competetive team, who display little of the histrionics displayed by Fiat during the stain era, and which they appear to have retained to a certain extent, if the rather nasty little allegations they made post the Brazil GP last year, are anything to go by.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 18th March 17:49
allsop83 said:
Evangelion said:
I'd have no problems about returning to the Schumacher era.
It's the late 80s-early 90s McLaren era I'd hate to live through again.
Late 80's where Senna and Prost were at eachothers throats for championships?It's the late 80s-early 90s McLaren era I'd hate to live through again.
Early 90's where Senna was pulling off some great battles with the extremely advanced Renault William's cars and on occasions beating them?
Why did you not enjoy that era?
Plus having to see that smug
Ron Dennis all the time.Evangelion said:
allsop83 said:
Evangelion said:
I'd have no problems about returning to the Schumacher era.
It's the late 80s-early 90s McLaren era I'd hate to live through again.
Late 80's where Senna and Prost were at eachothers throats for championships?It's the late 80s-early 90s McLaren era I'd hate to live through again.
Early 90's where Senna was pulling off some great battles with the extremely advanced Renault William's cars and on occasions beating them?
Why did you not enjoy that era?
Ron Dennis all the time.For all his faults, Schumacher was an outstanding driver but his domination was tinged with the belief that not all was legit - beliefs we now know to be true - traction and launch control on the Benetton, special Bridgestones on the Ferrari and the good old Ferrari International Assistance support, etc so some of the domination wasn't true refection of what was what at the time.
Today, I do think F1 is far more transparent (though not totally and I'm not saying it's totally squeaky clean) at the Red Bull is a truer reflection of design and engineering excellence, and thus so too is Vettel so the success if a little more palatable.
Also, we are not seeing - or at least not seen yet - the kind if week in week out dominance that Ferrari had ten years ago.
Today, I do think F1 is far more transparent (though not totally and I'm not saying it's totally squeaky clean) at the Red Bull is a truer reflection of design and engineering excellence, and thus so too is Vettel so the success if a little more palatable.
Also, we are not seeing - or at least not seen yet - the kind if week in week out dominance that Ferrari had ten years ago.
Adrian W said:
when SV got on with it in Q3 and went 1.3 seconds (i think) faster than anyone else the rest of the pitlane must have gone oh f**** not again.
If you read Andrew Benson's blog, he made a comment like that to Button, who replied with something along the lines of "But have you seen his tyres? They're knackered."Forums | General Motorsport | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff