Merc v RBR drag at Monza
Merc v RBR drag at Monza
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mattikake

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5,110 posts

228 months

Saturday 7th September 2013
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Is it me or is it pretty clear where RBR are getting their "new" high top speeds from compared to the [more powerful] Merc, since Spa?



^ Check the front wings snapped today at Monza (bad pics I know, but I'm pist, it's late and there are few pics to go by]. To me it seems there is a lot more "bulk" to that Merc front wing than the RBR. The leading edges of the winglets look thicker and there seems to be more wing there.

Conversely, it seems RBR can run a bit more rear wing as a result, which could explain why they're nailing sector 2 through the Lesmos.

Jungles

3,587 posts

250 months

Saturday 7th September 2013
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The two teams were probably on different test programmes.

RealSquirrels

11,327 posts

221 months

Saturday 7th September 2013
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red bull generates massive underfloor downforce, so they can run skinnier wings and still have the grip.

acf8181

797 posts

263 months

Saturday 7th September 2013
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Front wing doesn't really create that much drag compared to other bits aero bits

zac510

5,546 posts

235 months

Saturday 7th September 2013
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and thickness does not perfectly correlate with drag either.

don't be fooled by the paint color/reflection of light, either.

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

291 months

Saturday 7th September 2013
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clap pretty awesome images there, some subtle and some not so subtle, differences, thanks for posting

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entropy

6,441 posts

232 months

Sunday 8th September 2013
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If you look at the shaping of the cascades/tiered elements adjacent to the endplates it is very easy to imagine what they're trying to do with the airflow which is to direct and clean up the dirty air created by the front wheels. Better airflow around the car will give you better DF.

Scarbs' article on Sauber's front wings apply to RBR: http://scarbsf1.com/blog1/2013/09/07/sauber-spamon...

Regards to Merc their car understeers so their front wing looks to aim giving aero/handling balance. Hamilton lost the lead in Spa because of front end tyre scrub so he had less corner speed to Seb at Eau Rouge.

mollytherocker

14,455 posts

238 months

Sunday 8th September 2013
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There are multiple complicated things going on in the aero of both those cars on EVERY surface.

Some hidden, some not, and all having singular and contributory effects.

You cannot just look at a photo and make simple conclusions about certain elements. Even the pros can't!

It's just not that simple.