Un-believable - (Pirelli content)
Un-believable - (Pirelli content)
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Scuffers

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20,887 posts

303 months

Monday 9th September 2013
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Yes, you guessed it, Toad has awarded Pirelli another 5 years...

well, along with Sky etc, that's put the final nail in it for me...

m0rris

119 posts

179 months

Monday 9th September 2013
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We'll see... Seeing as the other option was Michelin who didn't exactly cover themselves in glory the last time they were involved I fear it was a case backing the least dead of the two horses.

Scuffers

Original Poster:

20,887 posts

303 months

Monday 9th September 2013
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m0rris said:
We'll see... Seeing as the other option was Michelin who didn't exactly cover themselves in glory the last time they were involved I fear it was a case backing the least dead of the two horses.
care to expand on that?

(and before you mention Indy, you might just want to re-consider who exactly was to blame for that)

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Monday 9th September 2013
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Were any other tyre companies even remotely interested in getting involved?

Scuffers

Original Poster:

20,887 posts

303 months

Monday 9th September 2013
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Eric Mc said:
Were any other tyre companies even remotely interested in getting involved?
depends who you believe...

understand there were others, but they did not want to be sole supplier.

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Monday 9th September 2013
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I often wonder if companies actually benefit much from being involved in F1.

Muzzer79

13,023 posts

216 months

Monday 9th September 2013
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What's wrong with Pirelli being renewed?

I think they do rather a good job, considering they're hampered by team bickering and FIA dithering.


CraigyMc

18,369 posts

265 months

Monday 9th September 2013
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Scuffers said:
m0rris said:
We'll see... Seeing as the other option was Michelin who didn't exactly cover themselves in glory the last time they were involved I fear it was a case backing the least dead of the two horses.
care to expand on that?

(and before you mention Indy, you might just want to re-consider who exactly was to blame for that)
I'd like to know what that's about too.

To my understanding, Michelin have around about the best tyre engineering team on the planet (people in Akron or various other locations may disagree)

C

RealSquirrels

11,327 posts

221 months

Monday 9th September 2013
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it would have been interesting see the michelin slick-intermediate tyres.

most of the reasons for pirelli's problems this year have been resolved for next year - i.e. teams will actually be able to test the tyres again.

i just hope they find a way to make the tyres degrade through wearing out rather than getting too hot, then we'll be able to see drivers pushing and using up their tyres.

Muzzer79

13,023 posts

216 months

Monday 9th September 2013
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Gaz. said:
Eric Mc said:
Were any other tyre companies even remotely interested in getting involved?
Not as a sole supplier. FOM didn't want a tyre war so Pirelli got the gig by default.

I hope they are allowed free reign to make tyres as they see fit though.
I don't, otherwise we'll see Bridgestone-style roundels of wood that never wear out and we'll be back to one-stop snooze-festing.

CraigyMc

18,369 posts

265 months

Monday 9th September 2013
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Gaz. said:
Eric Mc said:
Were any other tyre companies even remotely interested in getting involved?
Not as a sole supplier. FOM didn't want a tyre war so Pirelli got the gig by default.

I hope they are allowed free reign to make tyres as they see fit though.
I think Michelin would be much more interested than they are now, if they were allowed to run modern wheel sizes (like, 18s or something rather than the anachronistic 13s F1's been on for years).

C

andygo

7,390 posts

284 months

Monday 9th September 2013
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CraigyMc said:
I think Michelin would be much more interested than they are now, if they were allowed to run modern wheel sizes (like, 18s or something rather than the anachronistic 13s F1's been on for years).

C
I read somewhere that they wanted to introduce 18" tyres and also they wanted them to last a long time.

On that note, maybe F1 should be restricted to tyres per season rather than per race? Discuss.

MissChief

7,971 posts

197 months

Monday 9th September 2013
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I also heard about the 'bigger wheel, larger tyre' desire from Michelin and they've always said that they see competition as a waqy to drive improvements in tyre technology and being a sole supplier isn't for them. No other tyre supplier really has the money for a protracted fight with Michelin.

CraigyMc

18,369 posts

265 months

Monday 9th September 2013
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andygo said:
CraigyMc said:
I think Michelin would be much more interested than they are now, if they were allowed to run modern wheel sizes (like, 18s or something rather than the anachronistic 13s F1's been on for years).

C
I read somewhere that they wanted to introduce 18" tyres and also they wanted them to last a long time.

On that note, maybe F1 should be restricted to tyres per season rather than per race? Discuss.
Prepare for reaction of "looks awful, I hope they don't do it" from lots of people:


Scuffers

Original Poster:

20,887 posts

303 months

Monday 9th September 2013
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MissChief said:
I also heard about the 'bigger wheel, larger tyre' desire from Michelin and they've always said that they see competition as a waqy to drive improvements in tyre technology and being a sole supplier isn't for them. No other tyre supplier really has the money for a protracted fight with Michelin.
eh?

they are tiny compared to bridgestone, etc....

Muzzer79

13,023 posts

216 months

Monday 9th September 2013
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andygo said:
maybe F1 should be restricted to tyres per season rather than per race? Discuss.
What would you gain from it?

There'd be dreams of some drivers pitting in some races and not in others and results mixing up that way.

In reality, everyone would use the same amount of tyres according to race and low wear circuits like Monza would be pit-stop-less processions and everyone would focus their tyres on Monaco for example

It would turn tyres from a potential variable to mix up a race, to a non-factor - like engines (which are also limited per season) are now.


MissChief

7,971 posts

197 months

Monday 9th September 2013
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True, but what other tyre supplier out there has the money for the F1 gig even without any competition and having to develop new tyres every few races? Really you've got Continental (what motorsport pedigree do they have?), Good Year (Been there, done that), Michelin (want competition), Bridgestone (also been there, done that) and Pirelli as the major brands. I don't think any other company has the money for what is, at the moment anyway, more about marketing and advertising than it is about development through competition.

joewilliams

2,004 posts

230 months

Monday 9th September 2013
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Do people really not get that Pirelli have simply made the tyres they've been asked to?

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Monday 9th September 2013
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Continental were once the best tyres in GP racing. Admittedly, it was a long time ago.

RemarkLima

2,837 posts

241 months

Monday 9th September 2013
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joewilliams said:
Do people really not get that Pirelli have simply made the tyres they've been asked to?
In a word, no.

Funny that being able to make tyres to a specific brief is deemed a "bad thing" wink