Gotta love Kimi...
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Too bloody right.
I'm sick of this whinging from F1 drivers - safety this, safety that; then they claim that "we don't think about the danger, for we are supermen".
I once suggested to Jarno Trulli (when he'd spent ages going on about how he doesn't think of the danger) that crossing the road was probably more dangerous than taking part in an F1 race so it's no wonder they don't think of the danger, because it's not really there. He didn't appreciate that at all.
I'm sick of this whinging from F1 drivers - safety this, safety that; then they claim that "we don't think about the danger, for we are supermen".
I once suggested to Jarno Trulli (when he'd spent ages going on about how he doesn't think of the danger) that crossing the road was probably more dangerous than taking part in an F1 race so it's no wonder they don't think of the danger, because it's not really there. He didn't appreciate that at all.
MrKipling43 said:
I once suggested to Jarno Trulli (when he'd spent ages going on about how he doesn't think of the danger) that crossing the road was probably more dangerous than taking part in an F1 race so it's no wonder they don't think of the danger, because it's not really there. He didn't appreciate that at all.
Remind me to buy you a beer! Brilliant! 
Mark Blundell was talking about it on the Autosport website. He said, quite rightly, that in his day they just didn't press the throttle as hard if they wanted to avoid wheelspin.
In the '80s, the turbo cars had lag, light switch throttles and considerably less sophisticated aero and tyres, yet somehow they managed okay.
The cars will probably be very difficult to drive in the rain, but they're F1 drivers, so they should be able to cope.
In the '80s, the turbo cars had lag, light switch throttles and considerably less sophisticated aero and tyres, yet somehow they managed okay.
The cars will probably be very difficult to drive in the rain, but they're F1 drivers, so they should be able to cope.
Ahonen said:
In the '80s, the turbo cars had lag, light switch throttles and considerably less sophisticated aero and tyres, yet somehow they managed okay.
I loved the fact with the turbo cars you have to 'guess' the spool rate and nail the throttle the appropriate amount of time before when you want full power. Always makes trackdays fun, I imagine the high compression early f1 cars must have been manic!
jon- said:
I loved the fact with the turbo cars you have to 'guess' the spool rate and nail the throttle the appropriate amount of time before when you want full power.
Can you imagine having to anticipate the throttle response like that on a qualifying lap at somewhere like Zeltweg, with 'one lap wonder' tyres and all the boost they could find? Insane, yet brilliant. God they were brave men.Scuffers said:
Agree with all that...
FFS for the first time in years we will have drivers having to modulate the throttle, ie. use some skill....
bring it on!
Find some footage from the last year of the V10s and listen to Kimi and Jens out of the corners. Then listen to Mark 'lead foot' Webber and marvel at the difference.FFS for the first time in years we will have drivers having to modulate the throttle, ie. use some skill....
bring it on!
I'd like to see a return to manual gearboxes too. Being able to downshift properly, cleanly, every time, really sorted out the men from the boys. When a missed gear or a tad too much throttle (or any one of the other things that modern drivers take for granted) could cost you a race then you were either good or you just made up the numbers.
Bring back proper F1 cars and get rid of all this electronic crap.
Bring back proper F1 cars and get rid of all this electronic crap.
AlSharpton said:
Kimi's the man. Lewis is probably gonna cry like a baby once the season starts up.
Actually..Lewis said:
“No, it's just fun,” he said on McLaren’s official website.
“It was the first time I have driven in these conditions without traction control and you have to just take it step by step and try to build up to it, because it is slippery.
“It is even harder without traction control, it really does make it a little bit nervous on corner entry and you just have to deal with it.
“You have a lot less engine braking, which makes a difference to how you brake and approach the corners.
“I think times will be similar, but it is a lot more tricky and probably easier to make mistakes.”
So do be quiet.“It was the first time I have driven in these conditions without traction control and you have to just take it step by step and try to build up to it, because it is slippery.
“It is even harder without traction control, it really does make it a little bit nervous on corner entry and you just have to deal with it.
“You have a lot less engine braking, which makes a difference to how you brake and approach the corners.
“I think times will be similar, but it is a lot more tricky and probably easier to make mistakes.”
Strangely Brown said:
I'd like to see a return to manual gearboxes too. Being able to downshift properly, cleanly, every time, really sorted out the men from the boys. When a missed gear or a tad too much throttle (or any one of the other things that modern drivers take for granted) could cost you a race then you were either good or you just made up the numbers.
Bring back proper F1 cars and get rid of all this electronic crap.
Aye, and get rid of some of this too-clever-by-half stuff from some road cars too! I don't want the damned car telling me what I can and can't do. Bring back proper F1 cars and get rid of all this electronic crap.
Oh it's no good, I'm going to have to get out of this bra; and these stiletto heels are pure torture.
jon- said:
AlSharpton said:
Kimi's the man. Lewis is probably gonna cry like a baby once the season starts up.
Actually..Lewis said:
“No, it's just fun,” he said on McLaren’s official website.
“It was the first time I have driven in these conditions without traction control and you have to just take it step by step and try to build up to it, because it is slippery.
“It is even harder without traction control, it really does make it a little bit nervous on corner entry and you just have to deal with it.
“You have a lot less engine braking, which makes a difference to how you brake and approach the corners.
“I think times will be similar, but it is a lot more tricky and probably easier to make mistakes.”
So do be quiet.“It was the first time I have driven in these conditions without traction control and you have to just take it step by step and try to build up to it, because it is slippery.
“It is even harder without traction control, it really does make it a little bit nervous on corner entry and you just have to deal with it.
“You have a lot less engine braking, which makes a difference to how you brake and approach the corners.
“I think times will be similar, but it is a lot more tricky and probably easier to make mistakes.”
something about unexpected lack of engine braking.
stephen300o said:
Said that before he fell off a couple of times in testing recently though
something about unexpected lack of engine braking.
I think he might be taking the Gilles Villeneuve approach though - find out where the limit is because you pass it, then slow down to where it is. Anyone who doesn't spin at the moment probably isn't trying hard enough!something about unexpected lack of engine braking.
Time will, of course, tell.
FFS all the F1 drivers need to sit in a room and watch some footage of F1 between 67 and 82. then they would begin to realise taht they are operating cars in the safest environment F1 has ever seen. hopefully, they might realise this and use their throttle pedals just ever so slightly more than their mouths.
are we finally seeing the end of computers masking talent? where is Jacques and JPM when the sport finally gets a chance to return to its roots?
are we finally seeing the end of computers masking talent? where is Jacques and JPM when the sport finally gets a chance to return to its roots?
Nick Heidfeld is also on record for saying no-TC is better.
There is no doubt that no-TC will cause more mistakes and therefore more accidents. But Max Mosley has a point when he says that the risk is not likely to be greater in the wet than with TC, due to drivers likely taking things easier without TC.
At the end of the day, all the drivers will adapt. Give them a few races into the season and everyone will be happy.
There is no doubt that no-TC will cause more mistakes and therefore more accidents. But Max Mosley has a point when he says that the risk is not likely to be greater in the wet than with TC, due to drivers likely taking things easier without TC.
At the end of the day, all the drivers will adapt. Give them a few races into the season and everyone will be happy.
Fernando Alonso said:
"I am convinced that after two or three races, we will have completely forgotten how it was to drive with driver aids.
"It's about the driver finding his limits and adapting his driving style."
"It's about the driver finding his limits and adapting his driving style."
Nick Heidfeld said:
"Formula One does not need traction control... I enjoy it more as a driver, especially in the rain. For me, it doesn't cross the line of being too dangerous."
Edited by Jungles on Friday 18th January 09:36
trickywoo said:
AlSharpton said:
Kimi's the man. Lewis is probably gonna cry like a baby once the season starts up.
Did GP2 cars have TC when Lewis won the title? If not then he has to have an advantage over Kimi.Forums | General Motorsport | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff