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"Ecclestone wants title determined by wins
By Alan Baldwin Sunday, March 16th 2008, 03:54 GMT
Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone wants to change the rules to make sure the driver who wins the most races takes the title.
"I got a bit waylaid last season, what with all the business with McLaren and Ferrari, but it is my intention to push this idea through in the coming weeks," Ecclestone told Britain's Mail on Sunday.
The newspaper said Ecclestone wanted to have the title decided on race wins to force drivers to take more risks, rather than a system that awards 10 points for a win and eight for second place.
"The key word in motor racing is 'racing'," added the Briton, who has stayed in London while the season starts in Australia.
"And right now there are not enough overtaking manoeuvres in the sport because drivers are happy not to take risks and claim second place because it is only two points less than winning the race.
"What I want to see is the winner of the most number of races as world champion, and second places only to be used if the top two finish the season with the same number of wins," said the 77-year-old.
"The constructors would keep the existing system."
Despite Ecclestone's comments, the Formula One title has gone to the driver with the most race wins in the championship in every year since 1989.
That year, Frenchman Alain Prost won with four victories to six for McLaren teammate Ayrton Senna."
"Ecclestone wants title determined by wins
By Alan Baldwin Sunday, March 16th 2008, 03:54 GMT
Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone wants to change the rules to make sure the driver who wins the most races takes the title.
"I got a bit waylaid last season, what with all the business with McLaren and Ferrari, but it is my intention to push this idea through in the coming weeks," Ecclestone told Britain's Mail on Sunday.
The newspaper said Ecclestone wanted to have the title decided on race wins to force drivers to take more risks, rather than a system that awards 10 points for a win and eight for second place.
"The key word in motor racing is 'racing'," added the Briton, who has stayed in London while the season starts in Australia.
"And right now there are not enough overtaking manoeuvres in the sport because drivers are happy not to take risks and claim second place because it is only two points less than winning the race.
"What I want to see is the winner of the most number of races as world champion, and second places only to be used if the top two finish the season with the same number of wins," said the 77-year-old.
"The constructors would keep the existing system."
Despite Ecclestone's comments, the Formula One title has gone to the driver with the most race wins in the championship in every year since 1989.
That year, Frenchman Alain Prost won with four victories to six for McLaren teammate Ayrton Senna."
stew-S160 said:
Despite Ecclestone's comments, the Formula One title has gone to the driver with the most race wins in the championship in every year since 1989.
That year, Frenchman Alain Prost won with four victories to six for McLaren teammate Ayrton Senna."
If the driver with the most number of wins is already winning the championship then what's wrong with the current system?That year, Frenchman Alain Prost won with four victories to six for McLaren teammate Ayrton Senna."
sniff petrol said:
Well he's the one that changed it from 6 to 8 points for second place in 2003 and now he won't admit that was wrong 
Exactly, the 'loss' for coming second is not really enough of an incentive to go for it. Going back to 10,6 etc or even 10,5 could make a big differenceBen
I understand the principle Bernie is saying, but what if someone won 6 races and threw the car off the track in all of the others whilst someone else got 5 wins and second in every other race? In my view that would not be rewarding the best driver with the championship. A larger gap in the points would be the solution - maybe 12 for a win, 9 for second, 7 for third and then the current system (or something similar) to give more incentive to go for the next position up.
The current point system definately needs changed.
If Driver-A has a retirement and Driver-B wins then Driver-B can take 5 2nd place finishes if Driver-A wins just to tie it.
Theoretically you could have the position over 18 races.
Driver-A points 146
Wins 14
4th place 1
Retirements 3
Driver-B points 147
Wins 3
2nd places 14
5th place 1
Someone with 14 wins out 18 shouldn't be losing the championship to someone with 3 wins.
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Stuart
If Driver-A has a retirement and Driver-B wins then Driver-B can take 5 2nd place finishes if Driver-A wins just to tie it.
Theoretically you could have the position over 18 races.
Driver-A points 146
Wins 14
4th place 1
Retirements 3
Driver-B points 147
Wins 3
2nd places 14
5th place 1
Someone with 14 wins out 18 shouldn't be losing the championship to someone with 3 wins.
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Stuart
If they change the system to 10 and 6 for first and second all it will do is hand the title to the winner of most races earlier in the season and make the rest of the season a procession.
Keeping it the same but adding extra points for fastest lap might add extra incentives to go quick all the way to the end of the race.
Keeping it the same but adding extra points for fastest lap might add extra incentives to go quick all the way to the end of the race.
sniff petrol said:
Well he's the one that changed it from 6 to 8 points for second place in 2003 and now he won't admit that was wrong
exactly. idiot. as it stands, there's just not enough reward for going flat out to try and gain another place. don't know what was wrong with the points system before. but determining who wins the championship just on winning races is crazy!! with all the rules bought in recently to force better reliability, he's going the other way!! you can just have a fast but fragile car, win half the races and blow up in the other half. the guy doesn't know what he's doing.Seems bizarre to me. I know later in the season the drivers wont take many risks especially if they have a championship lead to protect, but by that time they usually have won more than anyone anyway so deserve the opportunity to play it safe, and you only have to look at most of the podium presentations to know that all of them want to win every race. The bloke on the top step always looks notably more jubilent than the two men stood next to him. Reason? Racing drivers love to race, and love to win.
How about having something in the points system for positions gained from your starting position within a race?
or
A 'joker' round where a driver can nominate a race to score double points?
This would make it a bit more complicated and I always thought there was nothing wrong with the old points system of 10,6,4,3,2,1.
Anyone tried to follow the NASCAR points system?
or
A 'joker' round where a driver can nominate a race to score double points?
This would make it a bit more complicated and I always thought there was nothing wrong with the old points system of 10,6,4,3,2,1.
Anyone tried to follow the NASCAR points system?
Phoenix said:
How about having something in the points system for positions gained from your starting position within a race?
or
A 'joker' round where a driver can nominate a race to score double points?
This would make it a bit more complicated and I always thought there was nothing wrong with the old points system of 10,6,4,3,2,1.
Anyone tried to follow the NASCAR points system?
What, something like an extra point for pole, points for fastest race lap, for leading the most laps? that'd open things up a bit.or
A 'joker' round where a driver can nominate a race to score double points?
This would make it a bit more complicated and I always thought there was nothing wrong with the old points system of 10,6,4,3,2,1.
Anyone tried to follow the NASCAR points system?
But the crux of the matter is that the difference between first and second place points is minimal.
Lol, any chance that BE wants to do everything he can to screw Lewis' chances of winning this year?
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