How to make F1 exciting short term
How to make F1 exciting short term
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jpf

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1,342 posts

305 months

Saturday 3rd May 2008
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Why not give pole position driver the choice of starting from pole or, receive 4 points for pole but start in 11th place?

If a driver was 11 points off the lead for the championship, the driver could start from 11th and try and win the race. 12 points in total.

Certainly would change the dynamics of the race.

stephen300o

15,464 posts

257 months

Saturday 3rd May 2008
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I find supporting Ferrari helpssmile

69elan+2

14,177 posts

242 months

Saturday 3rd May 2008
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Its an idea! - would the chance of a midfield pile up be worth the extra 4 point gamble?

I'd just like to see manual gearboxes and no refueling, I can still just about remember drivers pushing their empty cars over the line. but those days are long gone.

Edited by 69elan+2 on Saturday 3rd May 16:26

johnph

1,097 posts

258 months

Saturday 3rd May 2008
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FFS read the latest Autosport!

New rule changes for 2009:
Slicks
Reduced aero

belleair302

7,008 posts

236 months

Saturday 3rd May 2008
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Smaller rear wings, no rear diffusers and no tyre stops. I also liek the idea of three pedals, no PAS and a proper six speed gearbox. Also no driver to pit link, one way only.

anonymous-user

83 months

Saturday 3rd May 2008
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stephen300o said:
I find supporting Ferrari helpssmile
really??, its exciting because the car at the front of the procession is red?


stephen300o

15,464 posts

257 months

Saturday 3rd May 2008
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pablo said:
stephen300o said:
I find supporting Ferrari helpssmile
really??, its exciting because the car at the front of the procession is red?
Of course, sweetens the pill when your team wins. Probably alot more boring for neutrals.

andyps

7,819 posts

311 months

Saturday 3rd May 2008
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pablo said:
stephen300o said:
I find supporting Ferrari helpssmile
really??, its exciting because the car at the front of the procession is red?
No, the excitement comes from wondering which rule the FIA will amend/ignore/introduce/apply* to make sure Ferrari win.

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stephen300o

15,464 posts

257 months

Saturday 3rd May 2008
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andyps said:
pablo said:
stephen300o said:
I find supporting Ferrari helpssmile
really??, its exciting because the car at the front of the procession is red?
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nothing new to read heresleep

flemke

23,482 posts

266 months

Saturday 3rd May 2008
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belleair302 said:
Smaller rear wings, no rear diffusers and no tyre stops. I also liek the idea of three pedals, no PAS and a proper six speed gearbox. Also no driver to pit link, one way only.
It was only three years ago that we had no tyre changes. It hurt Ferrari, and thus was rescinded for the following year.

johnph

1,097 posts

258 months

Saturday 3rd May 2008
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flemke said:
belleair302 said:
Smaller rear wings, no rear diffusers and no tyre stops. I also liek the idea of three pedals, no PAS and a proper six speed gearbox. Also no driver to pit link, one way only.
It was only three years ago that we had no tyre changes. It hurt Ferrari, and thus was rescinded for the following year.
IIRS it was introduced to break Ferraris dominance. After Raikkonen had a massive off at Nurburgring that year they allowed one tyre stop.

EDLT

15,421 posts

235 months

Saturday 3rd May 2008
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They should allow the drivers to talk to each other during the race. I'd love to hear the drivers stuck behind Trulli.

Ordinary Bloke

4,559 posts

227 months

Saturday 3rd May 2008
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belleair302 said:
Smaller rear wings, no rear diffusers and no tyre stops. I also like the idea of three pedals, no PAS and a proper six speed gearbox. Also no driver to pit link, one way only.
Yep, good old days of F1. And get rid of carbon/carbon brakes.

flemke

23,482 posts

266 months

Saturday 3rd May 2008
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johnph said:
flemke said:
belleair302 said:
Smaller rear wings, no rear diffusers and no tyre stops. I also liek the idea of three pedals, no PAS and a proper six speed gearbox. Also no driver to pit link, one way only.
It was only three years ago that we had no tyre changes. It hurt Ferrari, and thus was rescinded for the following year.
IIRS it was introduced to break Ferraris dominance. After Raikkonen had a massive off at Nurburgring that year they allowed one tyre stop.
They clarified how damaged a tyre could be in order to justify a "safety" tyre change, although no refueling was allowed during a safety change, so there really was no advantage to be gained.
In Raikkonen's case, he would have been allowed to pit and change the tyre, which was badly damaged. He and the team made their own decision to carry on, not for the sake of a rules limitation, but because he was leading, but not by a big enough gap to cover the time lost for a pit stop. When the damaged tyre caused the suspension to break, he had less than one full lap remaining before the chequered flag.

It was my impression at the time that the "one-tyre" rule was intended to be a politically-correct, money-saving measure, with the added possibility that it could mix up a race. Without the ability to get fresh rubber, a driver had to take better care of his tyres for the duration. He who failed to do so suffered, he who succeeded got a benefit.

andyps

7,819 posts

311 months

Sunday 4th May 2008
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I hope the new rules for next year improve things, but the simple solution in my view is to eliminate tyre changes except in the case of a puncture (or similar for safety reasons) and no refuelling during the race after qualifying with whatever fuel level the team choose. That way the set up would always be a slight compromise between full load/fresh tyres and light load/worn tyres meaning different strategies would come into play on the track rather than in the pits, and would reward driver mechanical sympathy. I know this sounds like going back to the past when F1 should be progressive, but I want to see racing on the track and I think this would do that.

And Stephen300o - my comment above might be nothing new, but some things don't seem to change.

Edited by andyps on Sunday 4th May 13:07

SamHH

5,078 posts

245 months

Sunday 4th May 2008
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johnph said:
FFS read the latest Autosport!

New rule changes for 2009:
Slicks
Reduced aero
I didn't think the tyre specification had been confirmed?

DrTre

12,957 posts

261 months

Sunday 4th May 2008
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andyps said:
I hope the new rules for next year improve things, but the simple solution in my view is to eliminate tyre changes except in the case of a puncture (or similar for safety reasons) and no refuelling during the race after qualifying with whatever fuel level the team choose. That way the set up would always be a slight compromise between full load/fresh tyres and light load/worn tyres meaning different strategies would come into play on the track rather than in the pits, and would reward driver mechanical sympathy. I know this sounds like going back to the past when F1 should be progressive, but I want to see racing on the track and I think this would do that.
There has been nothing remotely progressive about the changes to F1.

Nothing wrong in suggesting a return to actual racing instead of the current, artificial spectacle.

DangerousMike

11,327 posts

221 months

Sunday 4th May 2008
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why not allow one stop, where you can either refuel or change tyres, but not both.

Hodgson 100

120 posts

242 months

Sunday 4th May 2008
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The pistonheads F1 rules:
1/Spoked wheels
2/Men in white boiler suits with flat caps unfastening the wheels with a mallet.
3/The above men filling the cars with a funnel and 12 jerry cans.
4/Solid tyres.
5/All load bearing stuctures made from ash (thats a type of wood).
6/Ignition timing adjusted by a lever on the steering wheel.
7/Manual gearbox.
8/5000rpm rev limit (enforced by the use of a mandatory 7 litre yank V8).
9/Carburettors(cant have any electronics can we).


Fort Jefferson

8,237 posts

251 months

Sunday 4th May 2008
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Put bumper bars all round, and let them bash each other off, like touring cars do.