What has the FIA ever done for us ?
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All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans, er I mean the FIA done for us?
But seriously - what does the FIA do for formula 1 or for that matter what does the FIA do ?
But seriously - what does the FIA do for formula 1 or for that matter what does the FIA do ?
cj_eds said:
Started the NCAP tests I'd say is their biggest and finest.
As someone else stated on another topic, the FIA did not start NCAP. This was an American programme that European took onboard. OK the FIA may have voiced their opinion on it, but they or Max are not the originitors.There is nothing that the FIA or Max for that matter have done or can take credit for.
Industry brings to the fore new technology, all the FIA do is add more red tape and then take all the credit for something when it all goes right!
Where was the FIA during the tyre fiasco at INDY?????
The title said What did they do for us. OK, if we're going to be pedantic then they've maybe directly done nothing for you or me. Indirectly the NCAP tests have at least helped speed up the safety development aspect of car design. Didn't know they were nicked off the Americans though.
Suppose its a different debate since the threads in GM, not GG/P&P.
Suppose its a different debate since the threads in GM, not GG/P&P.
motormania said:
Where was the FIA during the tyre fiasco at INDY?????
Quite simple - its president, who could not be bothered to attend the race, was from Monte Carlo imposing his will on the proceedings. Despite being implored by Ecclestone to let there be a race, despite the willingness of all the Michelin teams to run without points and to start from the back, despite the fact that a hundred thousand fans had come from all over the world to see a race, President Mosley decreed that, instead, he would rather have a farce.
No one else in the FIA had the power to overrule him.
motormania said:
cj_eds said:
Started the NCAP tests I'd say is their biggest and finest.
As someone else stated on another topic, the FIA did not start NCAP. This was an American programme that European took onboard. OK the FIA may have voiced their opinion on it, but they or Max are not the originitors.http://www.euroncap.com/history.aspx
which sheds light on the myth that the FIA was the driving force behind Euro NCAP.
It seems that, for Europe, the programme's origins had much more to do with the German ADAC and Britain's own Transport Research Lab.
No surprise that the FIA has tried to rewrite history and claim the lion's share of the credit for something in which they played a bit part. IINM, rewriting history was an old trick of Mosley's family's heroes.
An excerpt from the Euro NCAP website:
From the 1970s, a number of European governments had been working, through the European Experimental Vehicles Committee (EEVC), on the development of procedures and equipment for assessing various aspects of car secondary safety. By the early 1990s, this research had resulted in the development of full scale crash test procedures, for protection of car occupants in frontal and side impact, and a component test procedure for assessing the protection of pedestrians, hit by the fronts of cars.
At that time, the only full scale crash test required by European legislation, was a full width rigid block impact. This test was intended to control intrusion of the steering column. No test dummy was present in the car. There were no requirements for either side impact or pedestrian protection.
In the United States and elsewhere, legislation also used a full width block impact test and here test dummies were used to assess protection. In 1979, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) started the New Car Assessment Programme (NCAP), where cars were frontal impact tested at the higher impact speed of 35 mph. Much later, an NCAP programme was started in Australia and one was being developed for Japan.
In Europe, the German motor club, (Allgemeiner Deutscher Automobil-Club) ADAC, and the motoring magazine Auto Motor und Sport, started to commission offset rigid wall frontal crash tests and to publish the results, as consumer information. A single series of frontal tests, using the EEVC offset deformable frontal impact test procedure, was published by European consumer groups. These tests were jointly funded by the UK Department of Transport and International Testing. Despite the lack of modern crash tests requirements, in European legislation, the beneficial effects of consumer information programmes had now become clear.
The idea of Euro NCAP is born
By 1994, proposals for the adoption in European legislation of the EEVC test proposals were being strongly resisted by the car industry. Partly as a consequence, in June 1994, the Transport Research Laboratory (TRL) proposed to the UK Department of Transport that it should consider starting an NCAP in the UK, which could later expand across Europe. This proposal outlined the benefits seen elsewhere from such programmes, proposed that this programme should be more comprehensive and that it should be based on the test procedures developed by the EEVC. The Department of Transport reacted positively to this proposal and initial work was started.
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