RE: British GT - Tyres
RE: British GT - Tyres
Thursday 26th June 2008

British GT - Tyres

Tyre technical engineer Gavin Johnson tells us how to get the best out of a car's rubber



The Avon Tyres British GT Championship will be at Thruxton this weekend and as with all forms of motorsport tyre technology will play a huge role. The British GTs use Avon tyres and PistonHeads has asked Gavin Johnson, the company’s tyre technical engineer, to explain what can be a mystifying subject.

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The Basic Principles

The subject of tyres used for motorsport applications is wide and varied; largely due to the fact that there are many forms of motorsport and the usage of tyres can be unique to the form in question. However, generally speaking the basic principles are the same:

  • The tyres are the only form of contact with the circuit, therefore all loads/forces are transmitted via the tyres.
  • Essentially tyres are springs and therefore have measured spring rates. Therefore it is possible to regard the tyre as a component of the suspension system.
  • There are operational parameters within which tyres are designed to operate most efficiently. These parameters relate specifically to the pressure and temperature experienced in use.

Most motorsport tyres are designed to fit a number of criteria:

  • Performance
  • Size
  • Weight (tyre as well as vehicle)
  • Durability
  • Cost

All of these criteria are directly related to the most important factor of performance. All the other factors can be adjusted to achieve the performance goal, with the possible exception of cost! The two key types of tyres used in racing can be categorised as either X-Ply or Radial construction. The main differences are detailed below:

X-Ply
The same ply components are used to support the tread as are used in the sidewall. The performance characteristics of an X-ply tend to be more forgiving to the driver and well suited to junior formulas such as Formula Ford. The tyres tend to be lighter and therefore cooler running and require less camber to allow the tyres to work at their optimum.

A radial Avon tyre construction
A radial Avon tyre construction
Radial
Additional breaker (belt) plies are used to support the tread. This form of construction offers greater consistency with respect to the size, and is therefore more convenient when setting vehicle corner weights. Radials can provide a stable platform for aerodynamics. Commonly a radial will be more camber tolerant than an x-ply and will potentially produce less drag on straights.

The Effects of Tyre Pressure

The internal pressure of the inflation gas used for a racing tyre is critical and tightly controlled to affect the spring rate of the tyre, i.e. the higher the pressure the stiffer the spring, the stiffer the spring the more the compound is worked. Any increase of temperature produces a direct increase in pressure, and as a consequence internal tyre pressure is built as a result of temperature gain from brakes and tyre temperature in use.

As it is desirable to maintain a consistent tyre pressure throughout a run, it is preferable to use more stable gases when inflating tyres. Nitrogen would be the first choice, although dry air makes a pretty good alternative and is far more practical. When checking tyre pressures, it is mostly meaningless to quote cold pressures as there are so many variables which can contribute to the final hot pressure.

Therefore hot pressures are those which tend to be recommended by the tyre engineers. In order to gain a starting point for cold pressures, it may be useful to record the hot pressure immediately as the vehicle completes a run, and then also take a pressure reading once the tyre and wheel assembly has fully cooled.


Having this information along with the ambient conditions, track temperature, vehicle setup etc will allow for a reasonably accurate cold starting pressure for future running. Additional factors such as using solid soap when fitting the tyres, a standard practice for all Avon Motorsport personnel,  results in less moisture being introduced to the inside of the tyre, and therefore avoids inconsistent pressure gains.

It is also good practice to thoroughly remove any moisture from the surface of a rim before fitting a tyre to it. Typical tyre pressures vary quite a lot depending upon the chassis or vehicle that they are designed for. It would be reasonable to expect values of :

  • 18 – 24 psi for a formula car (single seater)
  • 30 psi for a GT car
  • Up to 45 psi for a saloon application.

Tyre Temperatures

As mentioned earlier, tyres are the only contact points with the circuit. As a result of this accurate tyre temperatures can provide a useful tool when attempting to analyse the handling characteristics of a vehicle and also when monitoring the effect of any changes that are made to the setup.

Tyre temperatures should be measured at the base of the tread, ideally at three points - the inside edge (the most heavily loaded side), the centre line of the tread and the outside edge (the least loaded side). The reason for stipulating the base of the tread as the point of measurement is because this will be the point at which the maximum tyre temperature will exist and will also be the area least affected by external/ambient conditions.


As rubber is an insulator its temperature transfer properties result in the base of the tread maintaining temperature for a much greater time than the tread surface which is usually bombarded by a moving airflow. Having this information for all the tyres on the vehicle can provide a good picture of the relative loads that each tyre is being subjected to during a lap.

Most critically analysing tyre temperatures can indicate imbalance within the chassis, highlighting any understeer or oversteer characteristics. In addition it is possible to see whether the setup of the vehicle has excessive roll, whether there are any undesirable wear rates as a result of setup and if the tyres are being operated within their optimum temperature range to maximise performance.

New Tyres ‘vs’ Scrubbed Tyres

The manner in which a new tyre reacts to its first heat cycle can be quite interesting and an important factor for the driver to understand. Generally speaking, from new a tyre will reach a performance peak relatively early in it’s life if it is pushed hard and worked with an aggressive style.

Following this peak the tyre would tend to go off at a steady rate of degradation, not directly linked to tread wear rates. Scrubbing tyres in is a recognised method of increasing the longevity.

A typical scrubbing in would involve taking a new set of tyres and completing a relatively short run, three or four laps depending upon lap distance, starting off at approximately 50% of the driver’s ultimate pace and gradually building this up until the final lap is at 100%. Ideally the set of tyres would then be allowed to cool in a cool, dark environment overnight before the next use.


The result of this procedure is an increase in performance consistency throughout a longer period of sustained full pace running. The trade off is that a scrubbed in set will not achieve the ultimate pace of a brand new set, but the performance longevity will be much improved. Additional benefits are that an accurate hot and cold pressure reading can be taken, more accurate corner weights can be set for a race, tyre balance is known and any initial rotation of tyres on rims can be corrected.

Wet Tyres

Tyres designed solely for wet weather use work in three ways:

  • Much softer compound generates more heat.
  • Extra mass of rubber generates and retains heat.
  • Tread patterns are designed to allow dispersion of water from the contact patch.

Due to the fact that wet conditions are usually experienced with accompanying lower ambient temperatures, wet tyre hot pressures are much closer to the hot operating temperatures. It is reasonable to use the slick hot pressure as a wet cold pressure in most cases.

Older or worn wets can be more suitable for drying conditions. In the absence of intermediates, a worn set of wets can offer similar performance. Wets will also usually require less camber as it is not normally possible to load the tyres to the same degree as a slick.

Author
Discussion

SpunkyM

Original Poster:

266 posts

273 months

Thursday 26th June 2008
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Pretty boring and useless article I thought. There's nothing in there which helps me make any decisions about tyres, be it driving on the road or the track.

Edited by SpunkyM on Thursday 26th June 16:20

havoc

33,341 posts

264 months

Thursday 26th June 2008
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Interesting stuff! thumbup Although very motorsport-biased.

Would be useful to understand the differences for a fast-road or amateur trackday application, as a lot of the article would not apply to those of us lesser mortals on the forum.

Any suggestions?

DamoLLb

1,775 posts

224 months

Thursday 26th June 2008
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Did you ask him just to copy and paste something from the Avon manual?

Bizzle

544 posts

230 months

Thursday 26th June 2008
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What's wrong with you guys?
This is a fantastic article! Some great info there!

If your not lapping this stuff up, then your not a propper car nut smile

morgrp

4,128 posts

227 months

Thursday 26th June 2008
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I had a set of Avons - gripped and rode really well but they all block treaded after just a couple of months and cost me 300 quid in replacing what essentially were 4 brand new tyres - never again...

DSM2

3,624 posts

229 months

Thursday 26th June 2008
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morgrp said:
I had a set of Avons - gripped and rode really well but they all block treaded after just a couple of months and cost me 300 quid in replacing what essentially were 4 brand new tyres - never again...
What do you mean 'block treaded'?

_Neal_

2,949 posts

248 months

Thursday 26th June 2008
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Got down to their tread wear blocks?

morgrp

4,128 posts

227 months

Thursday 26th June 2008
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DSM2 said:
morgrp said:
I had a set of Avons - gripped and rode really well but they all block treaded after just a couple of months and cost me 300 quid in replacing what essentially were 4 brand new tyres - never again...
What do you mean 'block treaded'?
Well I'm no expert but one day I was doing "around the legal limited" on the dual carridge way and felt a nasty vibration on my old T5 Volvo (the car I had them on) - never had it before - I thought i'd shed a wheel weight or something so took it in for a balance - the Tyre guy told me they had "block treaded" where some of the tread had shifted e.g. the overall tyre structure had failed and the tread was at uneven heights on tyre's surface - I thought he was conning me so I took to 2 other places and told them I thought I'd shed a weight but they said the same thing - I've heard since that it can cause blows outs and the like - Maybe they were the wrong tyres for the car or something?? i'm not sure - Like I say they were really nice tyres grip and ride wise - its a shame they failed - maybe they were a faulty batch? but all the tyre people i took it to said it was a common problem with Avons??? Like I say i'm no expert - I bought Kuhmo Ecsta SPT KU31 and despite what people say about them being a budget tyre - I've found them be as good as the avons in the dry and even better in the wet - I got great wear out of them and even use them on my current track car now - Good value too - I pay about £70 a corner on the 215/50/16 on my cossie Merc

lizardking

435 posts

228 months

Thursday 26th June 2008
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I had a similer experience with Avons, great road holding but wore out in a matter of months. Good tyres but wear far too fast for my budjet

jon-

16,534 posts

245 months

Thursday 26th June 2008
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morgrp / lizardking, as you've found out it's not difficult to build a grippy tyre, but it's difficult to build one that lasts. Silica content is playing a big part in this these days.

I'm with Bizzle here, why are you insulting the article? If you don't like it fine, don't read it, but the article is titled "British GT tyres" and is about motorsport tyres, not how to pick your next road tyre. It should feed the inner petrol head.

But then I do quite like tyres...

jon - http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk

andygo

7,391 posts

284 months

Thursday 26th June 2008
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The article is about racing tyres, which are a whole lot diffrent from road tyres.

Can't relate one to the other really.

Ahonen

5,032 posts

308 months

Thursday 26th June 2008
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SpunkyM said:
Pretty boring and useless article I thought. There's nothing in there which helps me make any decisions about tyres, be it driving on the road or the track.
Point missed entirely.

Really hood article, in my opinion. Almost gives too much away...;)

Edited by Ahonen on Thursday 26th June 17:45

sultanbrown

5,740 posts

260 months

Thursday 26th June 2008
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andygo said:
The article is about racing tyres, which are a whole lot diffrent from road tyres.
Which is fortunate for Avon, as currently their road tyres are st. party

gib6933

5,278 posts

260 months

Thursday 26th June 2008
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I had never thought about measuring the tyres spring rates, thank you clap

DrGP

203 posts

243 months

Thursday 26th June 2008
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I thought this was a great article. I never knew about the detail of scrubbed tyres.

I didnt understand the bit about wets pressures and temperatures.

"Due to the fact that wet conditions are usually experienced with accompanying lower ambient temperatures, wet tyre hot pressures are much closer to the hot operating temperatures".

Bobdenero

187 posts

224 months

Thursday 26th June 2008
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Mmmm, still no wiser...should I buy those secondhand remoulds for my Datsun Bluebird or not or not

southgate

742 posts

247 months

Thursday 26th June 2008
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Bobdenero said:
Mmmm, still no wiser...should I buy those secondhand remoulds for my Datsun Bluebird or not or not
If it's a 'ZX' you should put slicks on that badboy innit. Beast of a car. Respect.

Kozy

3,169 posts

247 months

Thursday 26th June 2008
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Some people are just never bloody happy are they.

Want something interesting/entertaining to read? There's always the Daily Mail. Pricks.

anonymous-user

83 months

Thursday 26th June 2008
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DrGP said:
I thought this was a great article. I never knew about the detail of scrubbed tyres.

I didnt understand the bit about wets pressures and temperatures.

"Due to the fact that wet conditions are usually experienced with accompanying lower ambient temperatures, wet tyre hot pressures are much closer to the hot operating temperatures".
Just a typo, what he means is when running wets, because of the lower ambient temperatures, lower track temperatures and also the cooling effect of the water, the cold starting tyre pressure is very close to the hot running tyre pressure, because you get less heat build up in the carcass, which means the gas inside the tyre isn't heated as much, so doesn't expand as much. You also get less brake disk temperature transfered into the wheel/tyre, which is a major influence over the tyre pressure.

Luca Brazzi

3,983 posts

294 months

Friday 27th June 2008
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FFS to those people who are just never sodding happy no matter what article gets written...go find another site. You've nothing useful to add, so sod off.

Great article, and very interesting, regardless of the fact that I don't race, and only have road tyres.