Testing at Brands 5th Sept PM

[JonnyW]

Andy and I are going to Brands on the Friday afternoon to test a new engine set-up. As I'm a TVR Group A car now permanently since the further allowance I have for Group B of the GT Cup, we should hopefully be running at 430 bhp at the fly. The counter is that the TVR has to weigh in at over 1200kg with driver post race, we're weighed at virtually every race and power tested 2 or 3 times so there is no escape.

We're going to set up ready for Saturday.

Any one else going?

[itsallyellow]

I will be there John. Doing the full day.

With my low powered Cerb!

[TVR_owner]

itsallyellow said:

I will be there John. Doing the full day.

With my low powered Cerb!

Is that the full day starting in the afternoon...

What time do you Southern lot get out of bed

[JonnyW]

itsallyellow said:

I will be there John. Doing the full day.

With my low powered Cerb!

Should this nor read "With my quite powerful and especially light Cerb!"

[Guillotine]

good chance of an outright win eh Mike?

gotta fancy it this time...

[HarryW]

JonnyW said:

itsallyellow said:

I will be there John. Doing the full day.

With my low powered Cerb!

Should this nor read "With my quite powerful and especially light Cerb!"

With the recent pace of the car, I'd be interested in hearing what it puts down on the road

[Graham]

HarryW said:

With the recent pace of the car, I'd be interested in hearing what it puts down on the road

<LOL> its never down to the driver is it <LOL>

Edited by Graham on Friday 15th August 17:04

[HarryW]

Graham said:

HarryW said:

Should this nor read "With my quite powerful and especially light Cerb!"

With the recent pace of the car, I'd be interested in hearing what it puts down on the road

<LOL> its never down to the driver is it <LOL>

Not saying its not, very cynical to think it tbh, just interested in all things Cerb and AJP.

[itsallyellow]

JonnyW said:

itsallyellow said:

I will be there John. Doing the full day.

With my low powered Cerb!

Should this nor read "With my quite powerful and especially light Cerb!"

Was joking John, i should have put a

And yes your right it is light!

Mike

[itsallyellow]

HarryW said:

JonnyW said:

itsallyellow said:

I will be there John. Doing the full day.

With my low powered Cerb!

Should this nor read "With my quite powerful and especially light Cerb!"

With the recent pace of the car, I'd be interested in hearing what it puts down on the road

Have allways been open about my power.

407.7 at the fly with 372 ft lbs

332.2 at the rear wheels.

Mike

[TVRleigh_BBWR]

I'll be there also. well I've paid my money, did not know they had a eve only option.

So need to get my finger out and get the car finished.

Are the car's scrutinised the same as for the race on a test day.

Thanks
Leigh

[Guillotine]

itsallyellow said:

HarryW said:

JonnyW said:

itsallyellow said:

I will be there John. Doing the full day.

With my low powered Cerb!

Should this nor read "With my quite powerful and especially light Cerb!"

With the recent pace of the car, I'd be interested in hearing what it puts down on the road

Have allways been open about my power.

407.7 at the fly with 372 ft lbs

332.2 at the rear wheels.

Mike

And the weight?? power to weight??
I Reckon its VERY near the tonne now Mike.

[thenick]

At Silverstone from the DL1, he was putting out about 335bhp at the rear wheels and was weighed at 1156KG. This is consistant with the other figures I have for his weight and power and works out at 290bhp per ton at the rear wheels. In current guise, he could either lose around 40KG or gain around 12bhp and be legal to race. (just!)

I think Mikes aero and very wide tyres give him a pretty big advantage, they do seem to allow him to carry a lot of speed through the corners. At Silverstone it was clear that in a straight line the Tuscan was quicker, but in the corners he appeared to have the advantage. Maybe class B should just be regulated by having a maximum tyre width and no (or limited) aero?

Edited by thenick on Saturday 16th August 11:04

[itsallyellow]

The aim is to try and get her nearer the Ton to try and be competative in A.

As nick said over the course of the year my power at the wheels per ton has varried from 285-290 at Silverstone.

Mike

[itsallyellow]

thenick said:

At Silverstone from the DL1, he was putting out about 335bhp at the rear wheels and was weighed at 1156KG. This is consistant with the other figures I have for his weight and power and works out at 290bhp per ton at the rear wheels. In current guise, he could either lose around 40KG or gain around 12bhp and be legal to race. (just!)

I think Mikes aero and very wide tyres give him a pretty big advantage, they do seem to allow him to carry a lot of speed through the corners. At Silverstone it was clear that in a straight line the Tuscan was quicker, but in the corners he appeared to have the advantage. Maybe class be should just be regulated by having a maximum tyre width and no (or limited) aero?

I agree that maybee class B should not have the aero. However the only reason we can get heat into the large tyres is the wieght. I think the Tuscans struggle to get heat in the big ones?

Mike

[TVRleigh_BBWR]

It's seem that most people who hit the limit of there class, seem to move up anyway.

Mike, Cliff and Jonnyw all want to go into A anyway. not sure it right to stop people developing there cars. That's part of the fun for a lot of people finding out what works and what does not.

With soo many different car (which is a good thing to have the full range of TVR racing) and very varying budgets, engine's and skills, and only 3 classes there's allways going to be an inblance. unless we can get 40 cars and 5 classes.

[toymota33]

[/quote]
I agree that maybe class B should not have the aero. However the only reason we can get heat into the large tyres is the weight. I think the Tuscans struggle to get heat in the big ones?

Mike
[/quote]

If you look at the 2007 regs the maximum tyre size for all cars including class A was 250x640x18 for slicks but being as all the Sag types and most of the Tuscans ran 285s and ignored this rule completely it was altered for 2008 to be free.
I believe we should revert to this, certainly for the 2 lower classes and do away with aero for all classes.
As someone who aspired for 2 seasons to make the 300 per tonne in B but for reasons only very recently becoming clear have never got anywhere near it at a meeting, I certainly think the BHP is about right for B. It is the aero and big tyres that are to a large extent allowing some B cars to punch above there apparent weight. Also there are several good drivers out there.
If there are A class cars who have recently entered the series thinking their cars are not quick enough then their problems may lie closer to home and not their competition. Most of the A cars were faster than the Bs last season but then a lot of those drivers have moved on to greater things.
Surely no-one is suggesting that we alter the rules to make up for car and/or driver shortcomings.
Bear in mind this is from a car and driver that have been crap for the last 2 seasons, with only myself to blame for taking so long to bottom the problem. This is not a personal attack on anyone so please so don't do any between the line reading.
With warmest regards for all my fellow competitors,
Tim 33.

[Graham]

itsallyellow said:

I agree that maybee class B should not have the aero. However the only reason we can get heat into the large tyres is the wieght. I think the Tuscans struggle to get heat in the big ones?

Mike

loosing the aero might be the way to go, as extra wings are something that can easily be removed... It would also give a big visual difference between the classes.. changes to engines and weight are much more difficult and costly !!! Certainly if we had to spend money to lower power, or find extra power to go up a class, The car would be staying in the garage next season.

My tuscan certainly struggles to get the heat into the larger rears, on a cold track..I've been caught out a few times on a cold damp but drying early qually, and not being able to get the best out of them. They also dont seem to add any grip on my car, they take longer to come up to temp, but then stabilize and stay consistent through the race.. I'll admit the main reason I use them is that I can just about get a season out of them !!!! as due to running slightly cooler they last longer !!!!

G

[Obiwonkeyblokey]

I ( and my belief only) believe the the B and C class cars should run non aero - If only to keep the link between the road cars and them a little stronger. For class A then no reason for people to do as they like to maximise the potential from the cars. Bearing in mind the TVR Tasmin challenge came about for road cars to go racing and then the Tuscans were combined. It would make sense this way and surely be reflective of the "spirit" of the championship.

I for one like the fact that I have a road related car on the grid and would be reluctant to add aero.

I think I will work on the nut behind the wheel first.

[Graham]

Obiwonkeyblokey said:

I think I will work on the nut behind the wheel first.

Thats my philosophy when people ask about aero and ajp's etc on my car... The biggest thing slowing my tuscan down at the moment is the driver!!!!