Ferrari Con-Rods
Discussion
Ferrari say that a broken con-rod caused the Kimster's retirement on Sunday, and they also say it's the same problem that sidelined Massa in Hungary.
My question is - are they allowed to fix it with a re-design or a material change, or have the engine specs been "locked-off" already?
Only a cynic would suggest that Ferrari will be allowed to change what they want regardless of the regulations...
My question is - are they allowed to fix it with a re-design or a material change, or have the engine specs been "locked-off" already?
Only a cynic would suggest that Ferrari will be allowed to change what they want regardless of the regulations...
crossle said:
Munter said:
They could apply to the FIA to change it for reliability reasons. But you'd have to ask why they only just started failing...
I'd assumed they's cranked something up in the electronics to get a bit more power to compete with McMerc? And the metalwork can't hack it...
It seems that the rods that failed in both engines came from the same batch. After Massa's broke, they made the decision not to replace KR's because that would entail the engine replacement penalty (they'd already used up his "free" replacement earlier).
The suspicion appears to be that the batch was bad. They do have some control over the parts, so one would expect that they already had a new batch made after Hungary, that it has been thoroughly tested, and they won't have the problem again.
The suspicion appears to be that the batch was bad. They do have some control over the parts, so one would expect that they already had a new batch made after Hungary, that it has been thoroughly tested, and they won't have the problem again.
flemke said:
It seems that the rods that failed in both engines came from the same batch. After Massa's broke, they made the decision not to replace KR's because that would entail the engine replacement penalty (they'd already used up his "free" replacement earlier).
The suspicion appears to be that the batch was bad. They do have some control over the parts, so one would expect that they already had a new batch made after Hungary, that it has been thoroughly tested, and they won't have the problem again.
Does that mean Kimi will have a grid penalty at Spa?The suspicion appears to be that the batch was bad. They do have some control over the parts, so one would expect that they already had a new batch made after Hungary, that it has been thoroughly tested, and they won't have the problem again.
(Sorry, but I don't follow F1 as closely as I used too..)
Edited by crossle on Tuesday 26th August 12:22
crossle said:
flemke said:
It seems that the rods that failed in both engines came from the same batch. After Massa's broke, they made the decision not to replace KR's because that would entail the engine replacement penalty (they'd already used up his "free" replacement earlier).
The suspicion appears to be that the batch was bad. They do have some control over the parts, so one would expect that they already had a new batch made after Hungary, that it has been thoroughly tested, and they won't have the problem again.
Does that mean Kimi will have a grid penalty at Spa?The suspicion appears to be that the batch was bad. They do have some control over the parts, so one would expect that they already had a new batch made after Hungary, that it has been thoroughly tested, and they won't have the problem again.
(Sorry, but I don't follow F1 as closely as I used too..)
Edited by crossle on Tuesday 26th August 12:22
Have the conrod problems affected the Ferrari customer teams? They do seem to have had a few problems but maybe not the same cause.
On a related topic, it is interesting to compare the performance of Toro Rosso and Red Bull in light of the comments made by Renault in terms of engine development - the respective performance of these two teams does seem to indicate that Renault have missed out on some opportunities they could have taken. Seems strange that Flav ignored the chance to utilise the rules to the full.
crossle said:
flemke said:
It seems that the rods that failed in both engines came from the same batch. After Massa's broke, they made the decision not to replace KR's because that would entail the engine replacement penalty (they'd already used up his "free" replacement earlier).
The suspicion appears to be that the batch was bad. They do have some control over the parts, so one would expect that they already had a new batch made after Hungary, that it has been thoroughly tested, and they won't have the problem again.
Does that mean Kimi will have a grid penalty at Spa?The suspicion appears to be that the batch was bad. They do have some control over the parts, so one would expect that they already had a new batch made after Hungary, that it has been thoroughly tested, and they won't have the problem again.
(Sorry, but I don't follow F1 as closely as I used too..)
Edited by crossle on Tuesday 26th August 12:22
BoRED S2upid said:
crossle said:
flemke said:
It seems that the rods that failed in both engines came from the same batch. After Massa's broke, they made the decision not to replace KR's because that would entail the engine replacement penalty (they'd already used up his "free" replacement earlier).
The suspicion appears to be that the batch was bad. They do have some control over the parts, so one would expect that they already had a new batch made after Hungary, that it has been thoroughly tested, and they won't have the problem again.
Does that mean Kimi will have a grid penalty at Spa?The suspicion appears to be that the batch was bad. They do have some control over the parts, so one would expect that they already had a new batch made after Hungary, that it has been thoroughly tested, and they won't have the problem again.
(Sorry, but I don't follow F1 as closely as I used too..)
Edited by crossle on Tuesday 26th August 12:22
andyps said:
No penalty to change an engine if it fails during the race and the car does not finish.
Is there any clause in the regs to stop someone on their first race with the current engine that is out of the points on the last lap from granading their engine to get an extra race on a fresh engine? I guess you have the limiter so can't overrev, but maybe set it crazy run lean to cause it blow?uriel said:
andyps said:
No penalty to change an engine if it fails during the race and the car does not finish.
Is there any clause in the regs to stop someone on their first race with the current engine that is out of the points on the last lap from granading their engine to get an extra race on a fresh engine? I guess you have the limiter so can't overrev, but maybe set it crazy run lean to cause it blow?andyps said:
zac510 said:
Yeah that was Australia, the first race of the multi-race engine rule. Honda retired both cars on the last lap. They weren't in the points.
There were mutterings about a rule change to stop this happening again, but not sure if it happened and if so how it was worded.Forums | General Motorsport | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff