Do Ferrari Fans support today's decision?
Do Ferrari Fans support today's decision?
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optimax sniffer

Original Poster:

1,817 posts

244 months

Sunday 7th September 2008
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After reading several of the threads about today's penalty decision, it would seem that most motorsport fans are against the decision.

What is the feeling of Ferrari supporters? Did Lewis gain unfairly, and should he be penalised?

CivicMan

2,211 posts

230 months

Sunday 7th September 2008
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Look on www.thescuderia.net - they're loving it.

Sara 12

49 posts

216 months

Sunday 7th September 2008
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I am a HUGE ferrari supporter, but in my mind we lost in fair play. I do think Lewis deserved to win on this occaision....just have to try better next time!!!!

Gold

1,998 posts

234 months

Sunday 7th September 2008
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Just tend to browse but many on www.ferrarichat.com are against it.

woof

8,456 posts

306 months

Sunday 7th September 2008
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I'm running a pole on that site

Surprisingly - it's not that clear cut even with the Ferrari fans (despite a few PH moles getting in there)

View Poll Results: Should Lewis receive the penalty
Yes 53 55.21%
No 43 44.79%


SeeFive

8,353 posts

262 months

Sunday 7th September 2008
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CivicMan said:
Look on www.thescuderia.net - they're loving it.
I am not going to grace the slimy scumbags website by creating a login to view it. Summary appreciated.

Guessing the summary - "Red car won, we don't care how or who fixed it".

Airbag

3,466 posts

225 months

Sunday 7th September 2008
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SeeFive said:
CivicMan said:
Look on www.thescuderia.net - they're loving it.
I am not going to grace the slimy scumbags website by creating a login to view it. Summary appreciated.

Guessing the summary - "Red car won, we don't care how or who fixed it".
An educated guess, I see.

CivicMan

2,211 posts

230 months

Sunday 7th September 2008
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Airbag said:
SeeFive said:
CivicMan said:
Look on www.thescuderia.net - they're loving it.
I am not going to grace the slimy scumbags website by creating a login to view it. Summary appreciated.

Guessing the summary - "Red car won, we don't care how or who fixed it".
An educated guess, I see.
Absolutely spot on - exactly how they see it on the forums.

SeeFive

8,353 posts

262 months

Sunday 7th September 2008
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Airbag said:
SeeFive said:
CivicMan said:
Look on www.thescuderia.net - they're loving it.
I am not going to grace the slimy scumbags website by creating a login to view it. Summary appreciated.

Guessing the summary - "Red car won, we don't care how or who fixed it".
An educated guess, I see.
Based on years of F1 experience actually.

ETA - like most, I have been to quite a few GPs and race for the DFS team on a Sunday wink

Edited by SeeFive on Sunday 7th September 22:29

Nicol@

3,851 posts

265 months

Sunday 7th September 2008
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I don't agree with the decision.

I think that Kimi would have still gone off (although I didn't enjoy watching him spin off).

I am not a Lewis fan, but he deserved the win.

kevin ritson

3,423 posts

256 months

Sunday 7th September 2008
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Seeing as Lewis publicly stated last year that he had no wish to win a championship won in the courts, I see Massa is not man enough to feel the same. I guess he's indoctrinated into the Ferrari way...

Sara 12

49 posts

216 months

Sunday 7th September 2008
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kevin ritson said:
Seeing as Lewis publicly stated last year that he had no wish to win a championship won in the courts, I see Massa is not man enough to feel the same. I guess he's indoctrinated into the Ferrari way...
That isn't a fair point. Hamilton's loss of points wasn't down to him.

Sara 12

49 posts

216 months

Sunday 7th September 2008
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Nicol@ said:
I don't agree with the decision.

I think that Kimi would have still gone off (although I didn't enjoy watching him spin off).

I am not a Lewis fan, but he deserved the win.
+1, better put than my reply.

Conian

8,030 posts

230 months

Sunday 7th September 2008
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Ok... *gulp* ... here we go...

If LH had followed KR around the corner as per normal he would not have gotten past, he was behind, clearly behind, proper tucked in behind. No one can argue that much surely (this is PH, of COURSE they can!)

LH cut the corner, was ahead, dropped back behind KR, fair enough. (Any arguements yet?)

BUT!... then he had some massive speed that whipped him past KR, the question is... Would LH have been able to do that if he had followed KR around the corner as per normal?

Anything after that point is speculation.... maybe KR would have gone off anyway, maybe LH would have spun off trying to over take else where, maybe they'd have taken each other off, it doesnt matter cos it wasn't gonna happen.

All that remain is...... would LH have been able to overtake right there and then had he of taken the corner behind KR? My opinion is...... no he wouldnt have.
I also believe that LH would've won anyway, but it didnt happen.

For the record, I want Massa to take the crown.

The Moose

23,676 posts

238 months

Sunday 7th September 2008
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Conian said:
Ok... *gulp* ... here we go...

If LH had followed KR around the corner as per normal he would not have gotten past, he was behind, clearly behind, proper tucked in behind. No one can argue that much surely (this is PH, of COURSE they can!)

LH cut the corner, was ahead, dropped back behind KR, fair enough. (Any arguements yet?)

BUT!... then he had some massive speed that whipped him past KR, the question is... Would LH have been able to do that if he had followed KR around the corner as per normal?

Anything after that point is speculation.... maybe KR would have gone off anyway, maybe LH would have spun off trying to over take else where, maybe they'd have taken each other off, it doesnt matter cos it wasn't gonna happen.

All that remain is...... would LH have been able to overtake right there and then had he of taken the corner behind KR? My opinion is...... no he wouldnt have.
I also believe that LH would've won anyway, but it didnt happen.

For the record, I want Massa to take the crown.
To answer your question, if LH had tucked in behind KR, then he may have been further back, but KR would still have braked rediculously early (assuming he was under the conditions,rather than to make LH's life hard - i like to think the best of people until proven otherwise!!!) and LH would have sneeked past in the braking zone, or on the exit of the corner.

thats my opinion anyway - FIA = bds

The Moose

Esprit

6,373 posts

312 months

Sunday 7th September 2008
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Conian said:
Ok... *gulp* ... here we go...

If LH had followed KR around the corner as per normal he would not have gotten past, he was behind, clearly behind, proper tucked in behind. No one can argue that much surely (this is PH, of COURSE they can!)

LH cut the corner, was ahead, dropped back behind KR, fair enough. (Any arguements yet?)

BUT!... then he had some massive speed that whipped him past KR, the question is... Would LH have been able to do that if he had followed KR around the corner as per normal?

Anything after that point is speculation.... maybe KR would have gone off anyway, maybe LH would have spun off trying to over take else where, maybe they'd have taken each other off, it doesnt matter cos it wasn't gonna happen.

All that remain is...... would LH have been able to overtake right there and then had he of taken the corner behind KR? My opinion is...... no he wouldnt have.
I also believe that LH would've won anyway, but it didnt happen.

For the record, I want Massa to take the crown.
NO! You don't say!

Killer2005

20,592 posts

257 months

Sunday 7th September 2008
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This Ferrari fan doesn't

jonspal

48 posts

244 months

Sunday 7th September 2008
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Conian said:
BUT!... then he had some massive speed that whipped him past KR, the question is... Would LH have been able to do that if he had followed KR around the corner as per normal?
Lewis took Kimi in the braking zone for turn 1, it was nothing to do with how much speed he carried out of the chicane. When they crossed the start/finish line Lewis was 6kph slower than Kimi.

He just judged the braking point in the difficult conditions better, having let Kimi passed he had gained no advantage from cutting the chicane.

SeeFive

8,353 posts

262 months

Sunday 7th September 2008
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jonspal said:
Conian said:
BUT!... then he had some massive speed that whipped him past KR, the question is... Would LH have been able to do that if he had followed KR around the corner as per normal?
Lewis took Kimi in the braking zone for turn 1, it was nothing to do with how much speed he carried out of the chicane. When they crossed the start/finish line Lewis was 6kph slower than Kimi.

He just judged the braking point in the difficult conditions better, having let Kimi passed he had gained no advantage from cutting the chicane.
Agreed - and let's not forget that he had closed a 2 minute gap inside the lap to the point where he tried to pass at the bus stop. So I guess that he was consistently braking later that Kimi all the way around the circuit. Sounds like an outbraking move to me even without a slingshot.

Sara 12

49 posts

216 months

Sunday 7th September 2008
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Conian said:
Ok... *gulp* ... here we go...

If LH had followed KR around the corner as per normal he would not have gotten past, he was behind, clearly behind, proper tucked in behind. No one can argue that much surely (this is PH, of COURSE they can!)

LH cut the corner, was ahead, dropped back behind KR, fair enough. (Any arguements yet?)

BUT!... then he had some massive speed that whipped him past KR, the question is... Would LH have been able to do that if he had followed KR around the corner as per normal?

Anything after that point is speculation.... maybe KR would have gone off anyway, maybe LH would have spun off trying to over take else where, maybe they'd have taken each other off, it doesnt matter cos it wasn't gonna happen.

All that remain is...... would LH have been able to overtake right there and then had he of taken the corner behind KR? My opinion is...... no he wouldnt have.
I also believe that LH would've won anyway, but it didnt happen.

For the record, I want Massa to take the crown.
Thank you...I know the whole thing has been spun beyond all recognition because it is a McClaren cock up and people on thew whole fail to see this..I wonder if Lewis was driving for Ferrari if this would have been a different story??